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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 26, 2006 17:46:36 GMT -5
Hopefully, this is the usual 'smoke and mirrors' rountine Danny puts on before the annual draft. This team needs a PG who will be the starter, or a shot blocking center who will be the starter.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 26, 2006 18:16:56 GMT -5
Hopefully, this is the usual 'smoke and mirrors' rountine Danny puts on before the annual draft. This team needs a PG who will be the starter, or a shot blocking center who will be the starter. Right, agree with that. Perk and Delonte are solid, but I'm thinking we need more if we are to be contenders.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 26, 2006 18:56:23 GMT -5
Delonte and Perk were solid last year but Delonte was basically in his first season since he was injured most of his rookie year. Perk got all of like 30 minutes playing time his entire first season and about 5 minutes per game his second season. It wasn't until after the Blount trade that he actually got any meaningful playing time and both were solid. It wasn't until JONeal's 5th year until he started to be more than solid. And it wasn't until Chauncey's 3rd year until he became more than solid. I think that both Delonte and Perk are going to be much more than solid. I think Perk is going to be a top center and Delonte is going to be one of the top PGs... they both have incredible work ethics and both will work until they are among the top players at their positions.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 26, 2006 19:21:20 GMT -5
I do agree that they will improve their games. They are both hard working and determined individuals.
But putting their games and their abilities in perspective, I'm under the impression that they'll turn out to be really solid players, but not top players. I could be dead wrong, and I'll gladly admit I jumped the gun rather quickly because that'll mean that they've become top players at their positions.
Say that Dan Dickau decides to push himself to be the best player he can be, and he works out 3 times a day, shooting hundreds of jumpers and free throws, working tirelessly on his ball handling, watches tons of videos to get better court vision, etc. He will definitely improve his game, but he won't become a top PG in this league. He has limitations that prevent him from being that good.
I'm not trying to knock Perk and Delonte. I think they are good players and will get better. But if we are looking at being the top dogs and win a few championships, we are going to have to be the best of the best, and have difference makers at key positions. Will they be able to be this good? I'm not under the impression they will be. If we meet Detroit in the ECF, Delonte will have to defend Billups and try to score on him. That's a pretty big task.
If Perk goes up against a guy like Samuel Dalembert, I see him having a hard time getting past Dalembert's superior athleticism and jumping ability. And defensively, Perk may have a hard time guarding's Dalmebert's quickness, which could lead to a lot of alley oops in traffic.
But here's where I can see them improving their games. Delonte was asked to focus on his pick and roll game. If Delonte picks up this part of his game and becomes very efficient at running the pick and roll, he will be tough to guard. If they lay off of Delonte, he will stop and pop his accurate jumper. If they crash on him, if he can make the passes off the pick, the guy setting the pick will have an open lane or an easy jumper.
Perk does not have a lot of footspeed or leaping ability. But if he can learn how to secure his position on defense, and not allow his man to get inside position on him, guys will have a harder time scoring on him.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 26, 2006 21:21:57 GMT -5
For some reason, I like Perks to come off the bench. I feel he is more productive coming off the bench, vs. starting.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jun 26, 2006 21:44:13 GMT -5
Perk was playing better, with fewer fouls, by the end of last season. I still see him as our best bet at the 5. He's starting to get the NBA game and the refs are learning his...
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Post by eja117 on Jun 27, 2006 8:18:34 GMT -5
Derren no way. I almost never flat out disagree with you cause you are like the James Bond of this site mixed with Christian Platonic philosophy, but no way. No way. You can not get an Alridge, TT, Roy, Williams, or Bargnani at the #16. Maaayybe a Rondo. But if you trade for a pg you won't even need Rondo. No way. We don't need extra depth/picks anyway cause we have future picks and the kids are growing up. I realize GG slipped and so did Gomes last year, but I definitely think at some point someone is going to point out the extreme luck and miraculousness of that. Not a single one of us thought that would happen so to PLAN for it to happen is a baaaddd idea. It's like trying to ask for lightning to strike the same place once. It's like religion says. You can't ask for a miracle. You shall not put (the draft) God(s) to the test.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 27, 2006 11:10:45 GMT -5
After the top 6 guys are taken (assuming that they are taken off the board first-Aldridge, Tyrus, Gay, Bargnani, Morrison, Roy), you have the second tier draftees, which includes Marcus Williams, Randy Foye, Rajon Rondo, Shelden Williams, Cedric Simmons, Rodney Carney, Ronnie Brewer, JJ Redick, Patrick O'Bryant, Sergio Rodriguez, etc.
Then guys like Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Maurice Ager, Daniel Gibson, etc. come up, and its not that big of a drop off from the second tier (though, I admittedly would like to get players from the 2nd tier).
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 27, 2006 11:59:48 GMT -5
More rumors from Chad Ford. More smoke on the AI to Boston rumors. Telfair to Boston for Dickau and the 7th pick is wayyyy lopsided. I have more faith in Danny than most of these trade rumors. I am hoping he is smart enough not to give up our future for Iverson and not to get fleeced for Telfair. We would be way ahead just keeping who we have. Draft S Williams and sign Lynn Greer or JWill. None of these trade rumors sound anywhere near as good. insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=ford_chad#20060627What top 10 teams are thinkingposted: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 | Feedback | Print Entry Here's what we're hearing about the top 10 teams in Wednesday's draft, starting in Boston.Boston Celtics: Slated to draft No. 7, the Celtics might be more active right now than any other team.They had their big workout on Monday with Randy Foye, Marcus Williams, Rajon Rondo and Cedric Simmons. After talking to both the Celtics and several other sources in the gym (we'll exclude agents from this conversation since they always think their guy destroyed everyone else in the gym), it sounds like Foye was the most impressive, followed by Rondo and Simmons. Williams was OK, too, but I got the feeling he's not going to be a Celtic -- at least not with the No. 7 pick.If the Celtics keep the pick, I believe Foye is definitely in the conversation. However, the Minnesota Timberwolves are high on him and could steal him a pick before the Celtics select. Shelden Williams also looks like a possibility if the Hawks don't select him at No. 5.After the workout, the Celtics got on the phone and started talking trade. My colleague Andy Katz mentioned in his article on the workout that the Celtics were having trade discussions with several teams, including the Blazers.Multiple sources told me last night that those talks are real. The Blazers and Celtics have discussed a trade that would send Sebastian Telfair to Boston for Dan Dickau and the No. 7 pick. The Blazers asked for Dickau's medical records to see how he's healing from his Achilles' tendon injury. The thinking as of late last night was that if Dickau checks out medically, the Blazers would seriously consider pulling the trigger on the deal. If he doesn't, they may come back and ask for more compensation.If the Telfair-to-the-Celtics deal happens, the Blazers would look at Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay and Foye as possibilities for pick No. 7. One of those players is likely to still be there. I'm sure the Celtics are involved in other trade talks as well. Boston GM Danny Ainge told me Monday afternoon that there were multiple conversations going on. While Ainge did not get into specifics, it's clear that the Orlando Magic, the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets, the Phoenix Suns and the New Jersey Nets are all trying to move up. One rumor that won't die is a potential trade between Philadelphia and Boston, with Allen Iverson going to the Celtics. I was told by two high-profile agents that that they believed the talks had been rekindled today. For the second time in two days, Danny Ainge and a high-level 76ers source told Insider that the rumor isn't true. According to Ainge, a deal for Iverson is "not going to happen."As for the rumor that has the Chicago Bulls sending Chris Duhon to Boston for the No. 7 pick, Ainge flatly denied it, saying he had no interest in doing that deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2006 12:35:41 GMT -5
Fleece on the Telfair deal?
If you're the GM and you feel Telfair is going to be better than any player at #7 plus you get rid of a player who probably won't anymore than a 3rd string PG. Then, by all means make the deal.
I still think Telfair can be an extremely good PG in the NBA. And, right now his price range isn't much to compensate for. A tendem of Telfair and DW is definitely alot better than giving up any package of young players for Allen Iverson who could be one serious injury away from retirement.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 27, 2006 12:56:40 GMT -5
You have a good point there JHVOS... It is just that I think we need another big and was hoping to be able to pick up a good prospect in the draft. I really don't see any good prospects for a big in the free agent market but I do see some good PG prospects there.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 27, 2006 13:12:43 GMT -5
www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1377Word on the streets from Draft Express has a couple of tidbits: One scout expects a flurry of deals in the next 36 hours... The Utah-Philadelphia-Boston deal that was making the rounds yesterday and was talked of having legs has now been replaced by the Boston/Portland #7 + Dickau for Telfair rumor. War room mocks have Aldridge going to Toronto now. Redick now being projected in the 17-20 range Jordan Farmar is working out for the Lakers today
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2006 14:07:17 GMT -5
Wally, Al Jefferson, and Gerald Green for Allen Iverson
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Telfair for 7th pick and Dan Dickau
I rather take a chance on Dickau than get rid of 3 players who can really contribute for our team.
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Post by ferbo on Jun 27, 2006 15:14:26 GMT -5
Hell no on that AI deal.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 27, 2006 16:29:56 GMT -5
Latest draft buzz from the INsider. The Philly/Jazz/Boston deal is dead. The Telfair one is very much on the table but may not happen until after the draft depending on who is there. Gay going #1 would really shake things up. insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2501756&name=katz_andyLatest draft buzzposted: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 | Feedback | Print Entry NEW YORK -- The spin continues among the lottery teams Tuesday morning, but after sifting through the smoke, there are some new revelations that could certainly shake up one of the most unpredictable drafts in recent memory. There are two players who didn't have any medical concerns among the proposed top seven: Connecticut's Rudy Gay and Italy's Andrea Bargnani. And, at least at this late stage, there is a chance -- albeit an outside one -- that they could be the top two players selected. League sources confirmed to ESPN.com that Toronto is considering Gay at No. 1. This would certainly shock the draft, since Gay has been considered a lock to drop over the past few weeks. Sources close to the situation said Gay worked out exceptionally well in Toronto, had a clean medical report, has the prototype NBA body for a small forward, is an "outstanding individual" and is considered a "safe pick.'' Gay was the projected No. 1 pick in the preseason, but the perception is that Gay had a down year for the Huskies. However, Connecticut coach Jim Calhoun told ESPN.com last week he disagrees with that perception, especially when one considers the fact that Gay scored 15.2 points per game to lead a team that was loaded with scorers at similar positions. According to league sources early Tuesday morning, Gay is considered now to be a top-five pick, with the two likely destinations being Toronto at No. 1 and Charlotte at No. 3. The perception that Toronto must trade down to draft Bargnani also is taking a hit. League sources said the Raptors are now worried that they couldn't get a guarantee that Bargnani would be available for them below No. 2. League sources told ESPN.com that Chicago is seriously considering taking Bargnani -- or at least is putting that out there -- so if the Raptors want Bargnani, they may have to take him at No. 1. Historically, the No. 1 pick is extremely hard to move. The two notable times it did move were in 1993, when Orlando and Golden State swapped Chris Webber and Anfernee Hardaway, and the notorious 1980 deal involving Boston and Golden State, when the Celtics got Kevin McHale (the No. 3 pick) and the Warriors' Robert Parish for No. 1 overall pick Joe Barry Carroll. Toronto isn't ruling out Texas sophomore LaMarcus Aldridge or Gonzaga's Adam Morrison, either. A decision could be made sometime late Tuesday. League sources said the Bulls are considering a host of options at No. 2, with Bargnani among those at the top. Aldridge is also in the mix, along with LSU freshman Tyrus Thomas. There are other scenarios whereby the Bulls could move the pick, but league sources say Chicago also is listening to offers for Tyson Chandler (but not necessarily trying to push him out). Meanwhile, Boston and Portland are talking about a deal that would send second-year point guard Sebastian Telfair to Boston for the No. 7 pick and injured point Dan Dickau (Achilles tendon). The decision for general manager Danny Ainge is whether or not Telfair is a better fit for Boston over whomever the Celtics could land at No. 7. After Monday's workout, the top choice appears to be Villanova senior guard Randy Foye, but Foye could easily be gone at No. 6 to Minnesota. The Timberwolves were supposed to watch Foye on Monday in Boston but general manager McHale decided to go see England's Joel Freeland -- a possible Wolves second-round pick -- in a workout in Houston, instead. Telfair, the controversial pick out of Lincoln High (N.Y.) who went at No. 13 in 2004, played in just 68 games last season because of an injured thumb. He started off the season well but never recovered his role after returning. Telfair is now behind Steve Blake and Jarrett Jack on the team's depth chart, making it obvious why the Blazers are willing to move him. Still, Ainge is reviewing how Telfair performed prior to the injury to see if he fits in Boston. This trade, if it happens, might not occur until after the draft, once Boston sees who falls to No. 7.Deals that are apparently dead, don't have life or never did include Houston and Atlanta swapping picks No. 5 and No. 8; Utah and Boston doing a Carlos Boozer trade that was a part of a larger package with Philadelphia, with Allen Iverson going to the Celtics; and Chicago shipping Chandler to Phoenix in a Shawn Marion deal.
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