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Post by cf0022 on Jan 29, 2022 21:32:07 GMT -5
Yeah i've soured on simmons somewhat. But nice player. i think we need better shooting and i think he would deter development in ways. It really depends. He is developing still too and the celtics might be good for him. For Horford and Shroder I might do that but again it really depends. I'm in no rush to make moves like i said.
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Post by jrmzt on Jan 29, 2022 21:34:33 GMT -5
I struggle to see how Beal fits next to Brown and Tatum. All 3 guys love playing iso. What sort of stagnant basketball are we going to see? Each of them taking turns each possession to go iso? Pass.
Would you even give up Brown for Beal? On paper they're nearly the same. Brown is the better rebounder and defender. Beal is the better playmaker. Beal's 3p% is horrible this season and his scoring output has fallen off a cliff compared to previous seasons.. whereas Brown looks like he is on the rise.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 29, 2022 21:35:31 GMT -5
I made that post a while back about rondo and we lack our ben simmons but do we want to deter development for that reason. I want to see this team develop period. I think we lack some pieces but development is good. It can correct a lot of those things on its own. This team has talent. That isn't overly the problem. There are some issues there.
I get there are o ther players in this league and really good players too is the thing. But development is key.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 11, 2022 17:33:58 GMT -5
Beal is out for the remainder of the season after having surgery to repair his wrist (not career threatening).
Do we really think he's Brad's target this summer?
Was Derrick White brought in because he's a good fit for Tatum and Brown, but also as Smart's potential replacement?
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Post by jrmzt on Feb 11, 2022 19:27:07 GMT -5
I'm not convinced Beal is what we need. We'd be top heavy and Beal's contract is a burden for a guy who has had some pretty extensive injuries.
Despite Brown's early season injuries (I think it was knee tendinitis?), he has come back strong for the rest of the season AND his production has improved even with the ref rule changes to avoid calling every ticky tacky foul. Beal on the other hand...even before his injuries... was playing pretty badly in comparison to his last few years. He was inefficient, his 3p % was in freefall, and he was taking less FTs..which makes him look abit like Dame Lilliard and Harden. Could he be as good in this new era of less flopping? My gut instinct tells me the game has moved on from that..and Brown is going to be better than Beal going forward.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 11, 2022 20:05:40 GMT -5
Beal is out for the remainder of the season after having surgery to repair his wrist (not career threatening).
Do we really think he's Brad's target this summer?
Was Derrick White brought in because he's a good fit for Tatum and Brown, but also as Smart's potential replacement?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 16, 2022 14:49:10 GMT -5
Revisiting this question in light of our recent success and new identity.
Does Beal fit in with the Point-Five mentality, and will trading players for him disrupt our ecosystem?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 25, 2022 9:40:16 GMT -5
I'm now thinking that Beal isn't a target.
For one, he doesn't fit in with Brad and Udoka's ideals. They want height, length, and two way contributions.
Smart and White at the Point gives us a height advantage there, but Beal at the 2 is a disadvantage height-wise.
And bringing in Beal doesn't make us better defensively.
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Post by jmost on Feb 25, 2022 11:44:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure Brad and Ime know what they want in the future until they see how we perform in the playoffs, when and if both the Celtics and their opponents are relatively healthy. If we are competitive with the best teams, then maybe we don't break up what we have in pursuit of Beal. Maybe we rely on continued growth from within. If, on the other hand, we're healthy and beaten decisively, maybe it clarifies the need to be bold.
Until recently (last two months) I was definitely in the "shake things up" camp. While I'm still not convinced we're as good as we've looked against mostly bad competition, I'm at least cautiously optimistic about the rest of the year.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 25, 2022 13:28:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure Brad and Ime know what they want in the future until they see how we perform in the playoffs, when and if both the Celtics and their opponents are relatively healthy. If we are competitive with the best teams, then maybe we don't break up what we have in pursuit of Beal. Maybe we rely on continued growth from within. If, on the other hand, we're healthy and beaten decisively, maybe it clarifies the need to be bold. Until recently (last two months) I was definitely in the "shake things up" camp. While I'm still not convinced we're as good as we've looked against mostly bad competition, I'm at least cautiously optimistic about the rest of the year. I hear you. In the playoffs, if our defense is clearly dominant but we struggle to score, maybe Brad and Udoka decide to beef up the offense. Sacrifice some defense for offense.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 25, 2022 18:07:17 GMT -5
I lean towards JMost's sentiments. 2 month ago i was in the "blow it up" camp (obv wouldnt trade tatum unless it was an absurd return), but now i'm warming up to this team. i still think we are a couple of pieces away, but it looks like we're getting there. I do think that Smart and White are a bit redundant, but i guess we'll see how things look in the playoffs. This off-season i'd love to see us buy low on Jonathan Isaac (big Al's contract plus pick(s)), and try get a reclamation project like John Wall with our MLE. And if need be trade Smart to ATL for their pick (prolly late lotto) and Danilo's semi-expiring deal.
Starting 5:
Rob Isaac Tatum Brown Wall
Bench rotation Theis Williams White Prichard
That team is crazy long. Everyone outside of Prichard has potential to be a plus defender. Wall would allow the rest of the team to get some far easier buckets than they do now (C's haven't had a playmaker of his caliber since prime Rondo). We prolly would need to find another bench wing (here's hoping nesmith does that, or we use that ATL pick to get that guy), but that is team that could really make some noise imo.
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Post by jrmzt on Feb 26, 2022 21:37:55 GMT -5
@fresh, my only adjustment to your suggestion is to give White a bigger role as our PG. He isn't a rookie and I think he could be capable (perhaps this is just a pipedream) of being our Fred Van Vleet if given the chance. I don't mind Wall as a 1-year rental but his defense is a big issue...and that clashes with our aim to be a top defensive team like we've been lately. Whereas White is a plus defender.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 27, 2022 22:30:56 GMT -5
Unless he's slowed down recently (which is possible since he's on the wrong side of 30) Wall was a pretty good perimeter defender back in the day. I'm pretty sure he made a all-defensive team back in his Washington days. And even though he's older i think he could still be a pretty awesome defender, since he would prolly be playing a bit fewer minutes, and wouldn't be expected to carry the team offensively. Dude is crazy long for a PG, and he is pretty strong too.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 28, 2022 12:31:36 GMT -5
My question with Wall is is he going to fit in with the Point Five mentality?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Mar 1, 2022 3:45:43 GMT -5
I think the biggest mistake coaches can make is to force their players into fitting into their scheme. Red said it best, coaches should coach around their players. Find out what they excel at, then build your strategy around that. Look at Pop's time in San Antonio. Those 03, 05 and 07 championship squads were slow and methodical on offense, and and incredibly stifling on defense. Flash forward to that 2014 championship team, while their defense was solid, that fast moving offense was the engine that made that run.
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