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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 28, 2022 14:24:29 GMT -5
Either at the trade deadline or as a free agent signing, do you think grabbing Beal is the ideal move? Do you feel a trio of Beal-Tatum-Brown is a championship caliber Big Three?
I'm not currently getting that vibe. That will be 3 perimeter oriented players who are not exceptional ball movers, whose best skill is isolation ball.
I would think diversifying the attack would be better. Like big man who can score inside and out exceptionally well. Or a true PG whose greatest attribute is making others better.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 16:37:46 GMT -5
Not really. I am in the stand pat camp. I might move Horford of Shroder. Beal would more be if we moved Jaylen. But I think all 3 can work in a situation if Jaylen becomes more that extra guy. Beal would best work if it were tatum, beal sabonis or something like that.
I think we might want to add a piece on this team if anything. how we do that remains the question. I'm not a fan of mixing it up for the sake of mixing it up.
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Post by jmost on Jan 28, 2022 18:31:45 GMT -5
Either at the trade deadline or as a free agent signing, do you think grabbing Beal is the ideal move? Do you feel a trio of Beal-Tatum-Brown is a championship caliber Big Three? I'm not currently getting that vibe. That will be 3 perimeter oriented players who are not exceptional ball movers, whose best skill is isolation ball. I would think diversifying the attack would be better. Like big man who can score inside and out exceptionally well. Or a true PG whose greatest attribute is making others better. Yes, to your last paragraph. We're already wondering if JT and JB can thrive together. Adding a third similar player makes no sense to me.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 18:39:09 GMT -5
I think Beal is probably an upgrade over Jaylen just due to experience. If it were JT, Beal and Sabonis for example. Jaylen would become the 4th guy. I don't think you just trade Jaylen for the sake of it. But in order to get those guys we probably would have to. I still like Jaylen long term though. I think he and JT is fine if we add another piece. It doesn't have to be beal. More someone who can come off the bench. JT, Brown and Beal by themselves I don't know. It could work imo. I think anything could work but it's not ideal.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 28, 2022 18:43:46 GMT -5
I am all for getting Beal as a free agent. Beal is definitely more of a creator than Tatum/Brown, and from all accounts is a great teammate. He's a leader. And what it does is if the pairing of Beal/Brown/Tatum doesn't work together, it gives u the luxury of then moving Brown in a trade. Brown, who is a very good and relatively underpaid, would bring a ton of assets.
Getting a talent like Beal for just cap room would be incredible for this team.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 18:44:46 GMT -5
I say I don't want Beal. He's not my first choice but again I still would like him on this team. He's a good player. It depends the scenario. He's still on my list of players I would absolutely target. I wouldn't necessarily deal for him. He's not my first choice. We have 2 pretty good scorers who are growing. My first choice would be Sabonis probably. But it's a matter of what we have to give up. I like Simmons. I like white. I like conley in situations. I think white makes the most sense. There are other players too. Keldon Johnson. Josh Giddey. I think standing pat and trying to add another scorer off the bench like Barnes would be my first choice. Haliburtan isn't bad but I don't think would help as much inititally. He's younger. More bounce and upside.
But I think I'd take Barnes considering the cost. Barnes would probably be top of the list right this second. Derrick White I like a lot too. There are other players in the league I'm probably missing. Franz Wagner but again the cost of getting a young player. I don't know if Orlando would even deal him here.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 18:48:20 GMT -5
I would be estatic if we got Ben Simmons honestly for Horford and Shcroder. And add a guy to our bench who can score.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 18:50:35 GMT -5
The thing with Beal is he is probably the best player and most polished player of the bunch. You put him on this team with Tatum and we are instantly contenders. There are no questions there. Beal is probably the best player we can target. He is Ray Allen. He's probably a better all around player than Ray Allen. He's like getting Ray ALlen to go with Pierce except it's in reverse in ways. Beal is more Pierce but a better scorer. Where Tatum is mre a shooter and scorer now who doesn't play make like PIerce could.
You still have to target that. It's the most simple solution and he is friends with Tatum. It would involve blowing something up in some form. So yes I do want Beal.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 18:55:31 GMT -5
Beal pretty much has to be the [HASH]1 target because he's the best player. If he goes elsewhere so be it. I hope JT and Jaylen stay together so it's not my first choice but it has to be in the interm. My first choice is to build a better team around Jaylen and JT.
It doesn't revolve around Beal but it does at the same time as far as moves we actually make in other words. It really revolves around JT and Jaylen to me. If we can add Beal and still have Tatum and Brown you still do that even if it isn't ideal. We would still be in better position.
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Post by jmost on Jan 28, 2022 19:01:31 GMT -5
I am all for getting Beal as a free agent. Beal is definitely more of a creator than Tatum/Brown, and from all accounts is a great teammate. He's a leader. And what it does is if the pairing of Beal/Brown/Tatum doesn't work together, it gives u the luxury of then moving Brown in a trade. Brown, who is a very good and relatively underpaid, would bring a ton of assets. Getting a talent like Beal for just cap room would be incredible for this team. Good point. I was specifically responding to the potential grouping of Beal, Tatum and Brown, but if we could add Beal and turn Brown into an All-Star at another position we'd be better for sure.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 19:02:26 GMT -5
If we can deal Horford and Schroder for Beal you clearly still do that. It doesn't matter if it fits. We have Bradley Beal. Whether we deal Jaylen for him is something else entirely. I think you only deal Jaylen if we have another piece.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 19:10:14 GMT -5
The key period and it's not always that simple is if we are getting beal the key is to clear space so we can sign him. Horford and Schroder for him isn't even a no brainer even though it is because the goal is to clear space to sign him. Nothing is a no brainer but Bradley Beal if we can get him for the right price pretty much is.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 19:24:38 GMT -5
I think people overvalue these picks we have too like i said. Because we get beal or sabonis either way Jaylen and Smart then becoming contracts we are looking to move for Sabonis more than likely. These deals are all pretty plausible and we should make them regardless if we can sign both guys. It basically puts us at the top of the heap. I still think the current team can get there too though it's just going to take more time but long term is just as capable. There are like 3 ways we can build. Like that or by putting a better team around Jaylen and Smart. By staying put and trying to add a piece or two or by completely rebuilding another way.
My [HASH]1 way of building would still probably be around JT and Jaylen but it's close. That was my scenario was Beal and Sabonis or something like t hat. There are very few situations where I would trade Jaylen and that's one. It's probably the only one or something similar at this point. I wouldn't totally rebuild right now around Tatum right this second unless there was an absolute plan to do that. I have that in my head too. I might shake it up a bit and add a couple pieces.
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Post by cf0022 on Jan 28, 2022 19:32:32 GMT -5
I think people are underestimating this team as it stands. I keep talking because people underestimate stupidity sometimes and this team could still go on a very good run this year imo. I have thought this team is better than people think all along and has not been given the proper chance. are they championship worthy? THis year? I don't know. I think they are still a very capable team though regardless of their record the first half. My first choice is still that in ways and this team shocks the world. Just so I can be like see.
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Post by jrmzt on Jan 29, 2022 21:30:28 GMT -5
I would be estatic if we got Ben Simmons honestly for Horford and Shcroder. And add a guy to our bench who can score. Horford didn't work next to Embiid once. I doub't they would even consider it again. They tried that experiment and failed badly.
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