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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 23, 2020 16:22:22 GMT -5
Been some chatter in recent days that we or TOR are favorites to land Harden.
Most likely a way for Harden’s agent to ramp up the stakes with Philly to give up more, but hopefull there is not truth to this. I’m not glued to Jaylen Brown, but I do not want to trade him for Harden.
Harden is a great scorer, but not the guy I want in Boston.
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Post by jmost on Dec 23, 2020 19:39:15 GMT -5
If we were to trade Brown, I'd want it to be for someone closer to his age - unless it was for someone who made us the clear favorite to win the title for the next few years, and I don't even know who that would be. Certainly not Harden.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 25, 2020 2:54:51 GMT -5
Sam Amico (I guess a credible source) says Harden has widened his range of teams he’s willing to be traded to to include us and the Blazers.
Ok, I’m definitely worried about how he will affect our team morale, and even if he’d be a net positive on the court. But if there’s a way we could be the third party in this trade and eek out a first round pick from a team likely to be in the lottery, I’m in.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 25, 2020 18:24:18 GMT -5
I definitely don't want Harden
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Post by Celtic17 on Dec 25, 2020 18:46:28 GMT -5
No and No, to Harden. No No thanks Nine! or 10...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 26, 2020 22:51:50 GMT -5
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Post by eja117 on Dec 27, 2020 11:57:13 GMT -5
I would only consider this if Harden came here, had an incredible interview, said he wanted to be here for a long time more than anywhere else, said he wants Brad to make him into a 1rst team defender, found Jesus and was going to stop going to the club maskless, and I found him incredibly convincing. So basically no. I think he's a Tracy McGrady on a good day, and a cancer ala Kyrie on a bad one. To me (not exactly through any fault of his own) he has become the epitome of the problems of the new NBA. Guards are putting up huge numbers without being good players. The example I give is that this article just made the point that peak Harden may have been better than peak Kobe. No. No he wasn't. Kobe is a legendary player deserving of his accolades. Harden is fool's gold who is a good offensive player. It's akin to the NFL's problems with QBs that have video game numbers where you end up with players like Matt Ryan or Matthew Stafford or Joe Flacco being the highest paid players in the league. Players have realized if they play selfish ball they can get huge contracts and huge endorsements. So you have players like Harden and Westbrook that can't even get to the finals and get paid 40mill. Then they destroy your team. If we just keep Tatum and Jaylen together, and keep looking for affordable complementary pieces (loving Pritchard and Tristan Thompson so far) then we can be the next Milwaukee Bucks. Ironically one of the best things that have happened to the Bucks is Donte DiVicenzo. One of the best things happening for the Nets right now is Jarrett Allen and Joe Harris. Look at the Heat. Tyler Hero and Duncan Robinson. If Harden was making 20 million he'd be a great player because you could put pieces around him. He's nothing like that.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 27, 2020 14:44:16 GMT -5
But I wonder how much of his offensive behavior was encouraged by D’Antoni? Like Antoine Walker’s nightly 3pt barrage was designed by Jim O’Brien.
Is it impossible for Harden to alter his playing style to fit along with Tatum and Jaylen?
But I totally get your points about his lifestyle. That, more than his playing style, concerns me.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 27, 2020 16:29:19 GMT -5
But I wonder how much of his offensive behavior was encouraged by D’Antoni? Like Antoine Walker’s nightly 3pt barrage was designed by Jim O’Brien. Is it impossible for Harden to alter his playing style to fit along with Tatum and Jaylen? But I totally get your points about his lifestyle. That, more than his playing style, concerns me. I'm not toooooo into judging a player's game by his life style, but in this case both his game and his life style say to me "I don't really care that much. I just want to get paid, have wins handed to me, and that's about it, not necessarily in any particular order." I don't think he has the it factor. I think he's another TMac or Vince Carter that just never maximized what they had. I don't trust guys that ran off to form super teams and didn't really earn it. I ddoooooo understand that he doesn't think the Rockets are doing what it takes to win or are interested in that. But he has had every opportunity to give teams way more than they got. This guy was on a team with Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka and couldn't get it done.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 27, 2020 18:24:24 GMT -5
He and Chris Paul nearly took out the GSW with Durant — and if Chris Paul’s hamstring didn’t fail him, they would’ve gone to the Finals.
I’ve never been a Harden fan, and if he doesn’t becomes a Celtic, I don’t think I’ll ever cheer for him.
But pairing him up with Tatum and Jaylen, I have to think, gives us a legitimate shot at the title if Harden is able to adjust to our style.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 27, 2020 20:40:25 GMT -5
He and Chris Paul nearly took out the GSW with Durant — and if Chris Paul’s hamstring didn’t fail him, they would’ve gone to the Finals. I’ve never been a Harden fan, and if he doesn’t becomes a Celtic, I don’t think I’ll ever cheer for him. But pairing him up with Tatum and Jaylen, I have to think, gives us a legitimate shot at the title if Harden is able to adjust to our style. This is the thing about that. For 40 million he needs to win at least a title, and preferably two, or it wasn't worth it. I'm only considering it if it's Kemba going out, because at this point Kemba is a bad contract. So maybe Kemba and a first and Romeo Langford or something like that might make sense for us. But Jaylen or Tatum is a flat "NO WAY" and even Kemba and Marcus is sort of greedy on their part if we have to send more than that. I get it, but we need to act like we're in the drivers seat here, because we are.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 27, 2020 20:44:35 GMT -5
As pointed out, the only way I ever consider trading for Harden is if it’s for Kemba and Smart plus fillers (like the Celticslife article proposed).
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Post by afceltic on Dec 28, 2020 0:14:04 GMT -5
As pointed out, the only way I ever consider trading for Harden is if it’s for Kemba and Smart plus fillers (like the Celticslife article proposed). Agreed as it would get rid of a bad contract in Kenba and an inigma in Smart.
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Post by runrondo on Dec 28, 2020 9:55:16 GMT -5
It didn't work with gambling on making Kyrie play into our system and I don't see how Harden would prove to be any different. Even Hayward, who was Brad's guy, didn't seem to want to buy into the system if he wasn't getting his touches. No way Harden comes here and gives up some usage. If it was just giving up Kemba and Smart I'd be tempted since Kemba could potentially never come back healthy enough, but I don't see HOU making a trade anyway without at least Brown in it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 28, 2020 10:36:26 GMT -5
It didn't work with gambling on making Kyrie play into our system and I don't see how Harden would prove to be any different. Even Hayward, who was Brad's guy, didn't seem to want to buy into the system if he wasn't getting his touches. No way Harden comes here and gives up some usage. If it was just giving up Kemba and Smart I'd be tempted since Kemba could potentially never come back healthy enough, but I don't see HOU making a trade anyway without at least Brown in it. That’s also a talking point. Would Harden humble himself to play alongside a 22 year old budding superstar?
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