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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 10, 2019 18:21:49 GMT -5
It’s not that our big man rotation of Theis, Kanter, RWill and Poirier is a disaster (it has actually been pleasantly effective), but I’m sure we’d all raise our hands if asked if we’d be in favor of an upgrade at the 5.
It won’t be easy to upgrade because we no longer have filler players on our roster (unless you think Semi, Carsen, Javonte and Langford are filler players). And we’re not interested in trading a big priced player (Hayward, Kemba, Jaylen) in exchange for a big priced big (KLove, Griffin) — the aim is to keep our players and add a quality, reasonably priced big to this team.
What about Aron Baynes? He’s only on a 1 year contract at under 6 mil for the Suns, who started off hot, but are tumbling back to the lower part of the NBA.
I don’t think there’s a rule against trading for him once he’s eligible (some time this month), even though we traded him away initially.
At his price range, maybe a few draft picks would do the trick?
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Post by jmost on Dec 10, 2019 20:12:32 GMT -5
I'd take Baynes back in a second. I don't know what it would take but probably not that much.
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Post by afceltic on Dec 11, 2019 0:34:44 GMT -5
Baynes mat be out best case scenario for many reasons.
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Post by afceltic on Dec 19, 2019 7:00:30 GMT -5
This guy can be had for only 7M, that would be easy to match and he would be a huge upgrade on offense if he keeps up his shooting. He is playing right now like what he had hoped that Al would turn out to be but never was as he shoots 47% from the field and 46% from the three point line. Boston Celtics: ranking the 3 best trade targets based on recent rumors hardwoodhoudini.com/2019/12/16/boston-celtics-trade-targets/4/Davis Bertans Of all the options the Boston Celtics have been linked to, none make more sense than Davis Bertans. The 6-10 stretch big has paved his way into being a major contributor for the Washington Wizards so far in 2019-20. And, while the Wizards may not be one of the most menacing team’s the association currently has to offer — in the midst of a four game losing streak — they do roster some intriguing talents that could, at some point this season, become viable trade options; this includes Bertans. He is the rare ilk to have improved after leaving the storied system that is the Gregg Popovich lead Spurs. Through 24 games, the 27-year-old finds himself averaging an impressive stat line of 15.4 points, 4.6 boards and just under a block per game on 47% shooting from the field and a lethal 46% shooting deep.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 19, 2019 10:58:55 GMT -5
For those unfamiliar with Davis Bertans (who seemed to have shed weight and become far more elusive than my memory of him with San Antonio), here is a clip of the damage he can do from an offensive standpoint. m.youtube.com/watch?v=EloSGRx2X7EBut how he is defensively? His rebounding numbers appear pedestrian on the surface. Is that what we want/need?
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Post by afceltic on Dec 19, 2019 23:22:09 GMT -5
His offense will give us possibly the best offense in the league when everyone is healthy (looking at you Gordon). It is an offensive league and while defense is important, it isn't as important as it used to be because of the rules that favor the offense. I have seen a bunch of suggested trades that involve giving Kanter for him with picks, I want to keep Kanter just for his rebounding and how well he played against Embid. Also people don't want to seem to give Smart up to get a better center as he is the only guy who isn't part of the core four that won't set us back as a team. So I am ok with a rookie (Langford) plus Semi and picks to match his 7M contract. Not to mention that Bertans is only 27 years old so he is starting his prime and he fits into the timeline with the rest of the team. The only down side that I just found out is that he only has one more year left on his contract, although we should be able to go over the cap to resign him...correct? Or it would be time to talk to Gordon about his last year of his contract next year as he has been grossly overpaid for what we have gotten from him to his point. Here's Bertans contract details: www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/davis-bertans-8094/
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 20, 2019 13:54:35 GMT -5
Woj reafirmed on SC that we are not willing to give up any of our core wing players (which I’d imagine are Hayward, Tatum and Jaylen). Woj went on to say that RWill has a great chance to have staying power at the Center position.
That last part about RWill interests me. Where did he get that idea from? Is that what GM’s are saying, or is thst Woj’s own assessment? I doubt that’s Woj’s comment because I doubt he pays that close attention to our team, enough to track RWill’s progress.
It could be that teams are showing interest in Rob, and Ainge is shielding him — not as untouchable, but he’ll need to be blown away by an offer to trade him.
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Post by jmost on Dec 21, 2019 8:03:48 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if RWill is too small to be a center. Then I remember that he's the same height as Bill Russell - who had to battle 7'1" Wilt. We have to be patient with Robert. We've seen how much progress a guy who works hard can make and you can't teach his athleticism.
I don't think we're as undermanned as people think at center anyway. Theis has played very well and Kanter is coming on strong. Neither is going to play Embiid even, but together they can do a decent job. When Robert develops more he'll be another serviceable piece.
My question is, Can we play two of these guys together? Kanter inside and Theis outside? Or some other combo so we we have two big guys on the court together?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 21, 2019 9:46:18 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if RWill is too small to be a center. Then I remember that he's the same height as Bill Russell - who had to battle 7'1" Wilt. We have to be patient with Robert. We've seen how much progress a guy who works hard can make and you can't teach his athleticism. I don't think we're as undermanned as people think at center anyway. Theis has played very well and Kanter is coming on strong. Neither is going to play Embiid even, but together they can do a decent job. When Robert develops more he'll be another serviceable piece. My question is, Can we play two of these guys together? Kanter inside and Theis outside? Or some other combo so we we have two big guys on the court together? I’m wondering if Ainge and Brad envision RWill to be more than even us C’s fans dream Rob could be? I mean, I’d be happy if he becomes a solid starter on a championship level team. But could Ainge think he’s got a chance to he an All-Star? Exceed Clint Capela’s level?
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Post by afceltic on Dec 21, 2019 10:19:20 GMT -5
Just for fun I looked at the salaries and we could theoretically trade Gordon for both Beal and Bertans at 32M. Throw in the Memphis pick that we don't need to sweeten it up and see if they will do it.
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Post by afceltic on Feb 3, 2020 4:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 3, 2020 12:09:41 GMT -5
Wonder what it’ll cost us? Heard the Rockets are looking for assets and wing help. We have draft picks, but which of our non-core wings would they want — Javonte? Langford?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 3, 2020 12:10:54 GMT -5
This also is floating around, that both Myles Turner and John Collins are available. Myles makes a lot more, so it’ll be trickier to acquire him.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 3, 2020 16:16:14 GMT -5
If the cost was Theis, Poirier, Langford and a first round pick for Capela, would you do it?
That’s steep — but if Danny and Brad both feel it puts us closer to a title, then I’m onboard.
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 3, 2020 19:20:12 GMT -5
If the cost was Theis, Poirier, Langford and a first round pick for Capela, would you do it? That’s steep — but if Danny and Brad both feel it puts us closer to a title, then I’m onboard. I can not remember a rookie Danny gave up on in year #1, hence Langford is out. If you could, would you trade Theis straight up for Capella? I do think Capella is the better player, but $5m for $15m? Theis is value contract.
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