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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 8:09:03 GMT -5
Post by eja117 on Jul 9, 2019 8:09:03 GMT -5
I like him. I think he can be an asset. I don't think it makes tons of sense to say we need rebounding and a shot blocker and not want Tacko. Also, for now, look at the money aspect. Yabu is gonna make 3 mill. Tacko would make almost 900K.
I don't really mind the idea of other teams shooting from outside. Go ahead. Shoot. I'll take the rebs. I realize shooting in the league has gotten lots better from outside but I don't think you can win if you never go inside and never get rebs. I think Tacko represents at least 6 good fouls.
He has an unteachable quality, and almost an unobtainable quality. At the very least he's intriguing.
He doesn't change the outcome of a game but he changes the complexion of it.
Derren actually makes a good point about teams just going outside. I think that's why you want him. If you are getting beat inside you put Tacko in and then make them change and start shooting outside and defending inside. He could be a good bench asset that way.
Compare him to Semi or Yabu. They don't change the game at all. They just play in it. Tacko affects the game. He changes the circumstances.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 10:29:08 GMT -5
Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 9, 2019 10:29:08 GMT -5
Another concern for me is Tacko’s poor hands — he fumbes way too many catch-able balls in his area. Even offensive rebounds that carom his way, which could be converted into quick putback scoring opportunities, turns into an adventure because it’s bobbled first, and the defenses then are able to swarm in on him.
No doubt, if people come into Tacko’s area, he can make them pay. But against higher skill level players in the NBA, they are smart enough to not get into Tacko’s wheel house. In our first summer league game, twice did PJ Dozier (who was on our roster at the end of the season) score on Tacko by using his quickness to get Tacko moving his feet, and then Dozier shot floaters that softly banked off the glass and dropped in.
Now, I’m not saying Tacko Fall is a hopeless case and has no shot to stick — I’m sure Brad can find a play or two to utilize Tacko’s amazing height and unexpected (but limited) mobility.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 10:34:25 GMT -5
Post by eja117 on Jul 9, 2019 10:34:25 GMT -5
Another concern for me is Tacko’s poor hands — he fumbes way too many catch-able balls in his area. Even offensive rebounds that carom his way, which could be converted into quick putback scoring opportunities, turns into an adventure because it’s bobbled first, and the defenses then are able to swarm in on him. No doubt, if people come into Tacko’s area, he can make them pay. But against higher skill level players in the NBA, they are smart enough to not get into Tacko’s wheel house. In our first summer league game, twice did PJ Dozier (who was on our roster at the end of the season) score on Tacko by using his quickness to get Tacko moving his feet, and then Dozier shot floaters that softly banked off the glass and dropped in. Now, I’m not saying Tacko Fall is a hopeless case and has no shot to stick — I’m sure Brad can find a play or two to utilize Tacko’s amazing height and unexpected (but limited) mobility. To me it's one of those things where you want assets. Let's say hypothetically we get in a tough game with the Grizz and Jonas Val is crushing Daniel Theis. Bring in Tacko. Stuff like that still happens in the NBA. Do the Grizz have a center that can hit threes?
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 10:44:02 GMT -5
Post by eja117 on Jul 9, 2019 10:44:02 GMT -5
I think at the very least we could admit Tacko is almost no risk, possible reward. The risk is in giving him a roster spot over someone else. But that's about it. Other teams are going to want him
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 10:52:28 GMT -5
Post by runrondo on Jul 9, 2019 10:52:28 GMT -5
I would certainly throw him a roster spot, but I'm not sure if Ainge has other plans to get another big that would take his spot. We've had worse players on the roster with less reward in comparison to him IMO.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 11:25:29 GMT -5
Post by jhvos7979 on Jul 9, 2019 11:25:29 GMT -5
I would spend a roster spot or get him signed up for a two-way contract. I would like to do see how the Celtics coaching staff develop him to see if they can form him into a serviceable center and/or defensive specialist. Definitely raw playing the game but, you can't teach size.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 13:13:58 GMT -5
Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 9, 2019 13:13:58 GMT -5
Another concern for me is Tacko’s poor hands — he fumbes way too many catch-able balls in his area. Even offensive rebounds that carom his way, which could be converted into quick putback scoring opportunities, turns into an adventure because it’s bobbled first, and the defenses then are able to swarm in on him. No doubt, if people come into Tacko’s area, he can make them pay. But against higher skill level players in the NBA, they are smart enough to not get into Tacko’s wheel house. In our first summer league game, twice did PJ Dozier (who was on our roster at the end of the season) score on Tacko by using his quickness to get Tacko moving his feet, and then Dozier shot floaters that softly banked off the glass and dropped in. Now, I’m not saying Tacko Fall is a hopeless case and has no shot to stick — I’m sure Brad can find a play or two to utilize Tacko’s amazing height and unexpected (but limited) mobility. To me it's one of those things where you want assets. Let's say hypothetically we get in a tough game with the Grizz and Jonas Val is crushing Daniel Theis. Bring in Tacko. Stuff like that still happens in the NBA. Do the Grizz have a center that can hit threes? Right, I do think Brad can utilize Tacko for specialized plays.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 13:21:19 GMT -5
Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 9, 2019 13:21:19 GMT -5
I think at the very least we could admit Tacko is almost no risk, possible reward. The risk is in giving him a roster spot over someone else. But that's about it. Other teams are going to want him It may come down to Yabusele vs Tacko.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 15:51:05 GMT -5
Post by eja117 on Jul 9, 2019 15:51:05 GMT -5
I think at the very least we could admit Tacko is almost no risk, possible reward. The risk is in giving him a roster spot over someone else. But that's about it. Other teams are going to want him It may come down to Yabusele vs Tacko. There's no comparison in my mind. To me Yab, at best, is redundant with Semi and Grant Williams. Tacko is unique at a position of need
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 16:11:19 GMT -5
Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 9, 2019 16:11:19 GMT -5
It is looking like Grant Williams will (or has) put Yabusele out of a job in Boston. I’ve been a Yab supporter, but it’s time.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 17:56:38 GMT -5
Post by Roadrunner on Jul 9, 2019 17:56:38 GMT -5
I was watching highlights today, and Tacko can "skyhook." He has a lot of skills for a player his size.
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Tacko
Jul 9, 2019 22:48:59 GMT -5
Post by jmost on Jul 9, 2019 22:48:59 GMT -5
I feel we've seen this movie before and none of the 7'6" guys can play. Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley, Muresan were all basically stiffs. Huge yes, but too slow. I'd be very surprised if he made the roster.
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Tacko
Jul 10, 2019 0:09:33 GMT -5
Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 10, 2019 0:09:33 GMT -5
I feel we've seen this movie before and none of the 7'6" guys can play. Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley, Muresan were all basically stiffs. Huge yes, but too slow. I'd be very surprised if he made the roster. To his credit, Tacko’s mobility is better than any of the guys memtioned above. But that still doesn’t take away the fact that he plays slower than the speed of the NBA, both in his movements and reaction.
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Tacko
Jul 10, 2019 6:45:16 GMT -5
Post by afceltic on Jul 10, 2019 6:45:16 GMT -5
I watched the game last night and thought he moved really well on defense. (lateral movement was good in one on one situations) By the way Brad was talking about him (said he was "always there" on the pick and roll." I wouldn't be surprised if he got a two way offer so they can have the chance to develop him. He has more to offer the org than Yas or Semi do in potential alone. As it was stated before those other two guys are just roster filler with little to no potential for growth, they already are what they are and that roster filler at best.
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Tacko
Jul 10, 2019 6:57:04 GMT -5
Post by eja117 on Jul 10, 2019 6:57:04 GMT -5
I feel we've seen this movie before and none of the 7'6" guys can play. Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley, Muresan were all basically stiffs. Huge yes, but too slow. I'd be very surprised if he made the roster. To his credit, Tacko’s mobility is better than any of the guys memtioned above. But that still doesn’t take away the fact that he plays slower than the speed of the NBA, both in his movements and reaction. But all three of those guys belonged on NBA rosters. They weren't great but they were assets. The difference is two of them played in the era of Shaq/Mourning and one of them played in the era of other bigs like Kareem/Parish. Tacko is playing in the small ball era, and I think that makes things interesting. Those guys couldn't be used as answers to anything or as changers or anything. Tacko is a specific tool in an era where nobody has that tool. He's like a baseball equivalent of a guy whose only pitch is the knuckleball. Or he's the football equivalent of a perfect long snapper. He's a unique tool that nobody else has
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