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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 15, 2005 1:53:52 GMT -5
I believe tonight is the start of the trading deadline (Dec 15th).
Will Ainge pull the trigger on a trade?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Dec 15, 2005 2:45:54 GMT -5
i believe we will, but i don't know about when and with whom...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 15, 2005 2:58:34 GMT -5
Let me be the one to instigate a trade thought. The reason Banks was not activated tonight, even though he apparently looked like he could have played, was because neither Ainge, nor Rivers want to risk the chance of hurting Banks before he's traded. He's well on his way back to a full recovery, and if teams are interested in him, it will be dumb to activate him and risk him going down with an injury.
Why trade Banks? Because we have a better young PG prospect in Orien Greene. Greene is almost better than Banks in every way. He's taller, longer, stronger, more of a PG, more polished, more of a floor general, etc. And he's just as good at handling the ball and even better at penetrating into the lane and finishing the play.
But why not just keep Banks and make him our 3rd PG? Well, because trading Banks could possibly give us more value in return than keeping him and playing him only 7 minutes a game. Most 3rd string PG's don't play much, and certainly not consistent minutes. It'll be a waste to hold onto him and keep him in this role, whereas if we use him as trade bait, we could pull in a veteran big man who rebounds better than Blount.
Speaking of Blount, this is the best time to trade him. He's scoring near 16 ppg the past 5 games and his trade value has gone up again, after his stock sank because of his drama with Doc Rivers about getting touches. I'm getting really tired of his act. He's only happy when he's scoring and if he isn't scoring, he ain't providing anything else for us. At least when Raef is struggling with his offense, he still goes out and leaves it all out on the court. I don't think I've ever seen Mark dive on the court this season.
Can Blount and Banks (the two MB's) get us a guy like PJ Brown? I want a solid veteran rebounding big man to take Blount's place.
Is there any remote possibility that we can coerce the Raptors to trade us their first round pick in exchange for 2 of our first rounders and Blount? They are once again at the bottom half of the NBA and they could easily get a top 5 pick in the draft. They are so young that it seems crazy that they'd want to go even younger. Maybe a veteran like Blount, who is a serviceable scorer, might be more important to them than getting another project in the draft (they already have Bosh, Araujo, Villanueva, and Graham to develop).
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Post by eddietours on Dec 15, 2005 7:46:31 GMT -5
the question is if toronto takes blount salary.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 15, 2005 10:22:34 GMT -5
Well, Blount's contract is not bad at all. Its only about 6 - 7 million a year. In today's market, a starting Center getting paid that much isn't bad.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Dec 15, 2005 11:12:04 GMT -5
well, can'nt wait. something will definitely happen within a couple of days in the league's trade front. hopefully danny finds a good trade for us as well
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Post by esco33 on Dec 15, 2005 21:30:01 GMT -5
I think we will make a trade, but maybe not just yet. I think DA will wait until Banks and Allen get back to see how they fit in to see who can be expendable.
The tough thing about our team from a trading standpoint is that we are pretty young. It is hard for us to trade some of the young guys because none of them have reached their potential yet. (some may never) (West, Allen, Banks, Gomes, Reed, Perkins, Big Al - off limits, Green, Greene, etc.) and hard for other teams to give up much for these guys because they are so unproven.
The only proven veteran guys we have on this team are:
Pierce - This would set us further back. Obviously he is our best player and team captain.
Ricky - playing the best basketball of his career. Would not get equal value for what he brings to the table for us. (20 pt scorer, 5 assts/game, exciting energy player)
Raef - hard to trade because of the contract. Noone would really give up much for him.
Blount - center who can score but can't rebound (This guy is the most likely to get traded, because big men with his skills (scoring, can run the floor, etc.) are sought after in the league.
Dickau - wouldn't get peanuts for him
Scal - same as above
Many of the people that we could or would trade would probably only net us future first round picks/expiring contracts etc.
Unless we take a chance and deal one of our highly touted young guys (Big Al, Green) which I would NOT do. They are too young, and need to still develop.
Trading one of our proven vets for draft picks would set us further back. We are young enough, and I would like the Celts to start moving toward the playoffs, and getting a championship, NOT the lottery.
So as far making a trade, I do not know what they could actually do. If we do, Ainge would have to pull a Red Auerbachian type of move for us to become a much better team.
(I still wonder what this team would be like with a starting lineup of):
Baron Davis Ricky Davis Paul Pierce Al Jefferson Kendrick Perkins
That is the only thing I wish we had was a big time point guard.
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Post by Celtic17 on Dec 15, 2005 23:02:46 GMT -5
I believe Greene will fill that role, with West the 6th-man, to cover against certain teams and needs late in a tight game.
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Post by esco33 on Dec 15, 2005 23:13:44 GMT -5
I really hope Greene can fill that role, but do you think Ainge really envisions him as our future starting point guard? I do not think Ainge thinks that our starting point guard is on this team right now.
Something gives me the feeling that soon Ainge will make a relatively large move to acquire what he feels will be our future point guard.
Last year we were so close to getting the Baron, and now the rumors have come out that the Pierce for the number 3 pick (Chris Paul) rumors were true.
I do not want another Chauncey/Joe Johnson debacle either, but I have trust in Ainge.
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Post by Celtic17 on Dec 15, 2005 23:19:39 GMT -5
Here's from BC's sig.
"location - old world, 7 hours ahead of boston time. never underestimate the unpredictability of danny ainge..."
;D
West would be a nice player, at 1 or 2, off the bench. That is, when Greene isn't so much --- green. That could be a Globe or Herald headline...
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 15, 2005 23:38:40 GMT -5
I am thinking Banks for a late first round pick; or Blount, perhaps Allen will be traded.
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Post by Celtic17 on Dec 15, 2005 23:49:52 GMT -5
I am thinking Banks for a late first round pick; or Blount, perhaps Allen will be traded. One Greeniac on the same page as me. Poor Running-Turtle... lol
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Post by greenblood on Dec 16, 2005 12:24:41 GMT -5
A big time point guard is almost essential to a winning team. I mean, Golden State and the Clippers had good wing players and serviceable bigs, but until they each got themselves top notch points guards, they couldn't win. Just look at what Sam Cassel and Baron Davis have brought to both of their teams, respectively. The only quesiton is, who is available that fit these credentials. We can all give up on the whole Kirk Hinrich fanstasy, cause that's not happening. Delonte is a good player, but he is not in that category, and probably never will be. Maybe Ainge could pry Jayson williams away from Miami, but I'm not sure he is the answer either. Needless to say, an upper tier point guard is at the top of this Celtic fan's wish list.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Dec 16, 2005 16:57:52 GMT -5
Is there anyway we can pry Paul from New Orleans/Ohklahoma City? ;D
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Post by esco33 on Dec 16, 2005 17:12:18 GMT -5
If we trade for their Paul, we would probably have to trade our Paul first, or a package of either Ricky, Big Al, picks, etc. Would not be worth it.
Damn. We should have given up Payton, Googs, Yogi, T Allen, and the first round pick for the Baron last year.
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