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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 7, 2017 16:19:58 GMT -5
I don't think the NBA was going to let us win anymore titles, after we won it in '08. Nope, it was going to go to Kobe, the ambassador of the game worldwide.
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 7, 2017 19:20:14 GMT -5
Danny also should have never let Tony Allen walk... Bad bench is another reason (injuries aside), we couldn't get over the hump after the 2008 season. If only we had even one of Smart, Crowder, Brown, Tatum or even Baynes back then, we would have won 1 or 2 more chips. Avery Bradley was just what we needed, but unfortunately he came on a little late. By the time he developed, the big three era was on its last legs. I think the reason Tony Allen walked, because he was looking for a starting role, which he received and played well in MEM. No way he was replacing Pierce, as Bradley was replacing Ray Allen. Also, I think Danny had an issue with the length of Tony Allen's contract (the last year). |
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Post by jmost on Nov 7, 2017 22:03:44 GMT -5
As I recall, Tony left because he felt he was an afterthought as Danny was putting the team together for the coming year. It's not that Danny didn't want him; he just didn't prioritize getting him signed and Memphis impressed him with their desire for him.
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Post by TenTwentyFour on Nov 8, 2017 2:53:22 GMT -5
Danny also should have never let Tony Allen walk... Bad bench is another reason (injuries aside), we couldn't get over the hump after the 2008 season. If only we had even one of Smart, Crowder, Brown, Tatum or even Baynes back then, we would have won 1 or 2 more chips. Avery Bradley was just what we needed, but unfortunately he came on a little late. By the time he developed, the big three era was on its last legs. We were not going to win in 2009 because of KG's knee injury no matter who was on the bench and would have still won in 2010 if it wasn't for Tony Brothers, Joey and Dan Crawford wearing Laker jersey's under their referee uniforms. 21-6 FT's in the 4th quarter of Game 7 alone and 37-15 FT disparity overall did us in as we still led by 4 going into said 4th Quarter in LA. Yes I still haven't gotten over that game and I won't until we win another one. Yes 2009 was out of the question. 2010 we should have won regardless, I agree. I was more referring to the pretty large window after that, in which we were a perennial (if a bit underdog) contender. Our players were getting old and KG was never quite the same, but we were still elite when our stating unit was on the floor in the playoffs. Our bench however was extremely weak in those years. It was so bad, that I remember thinking our season was over, when a barely mediocre player like Marquise Daniels went out with a neck injury. If we had a reliable young stud back then like Marcus smart to aid our old core, I believe we could have knocked off Miami, who was a team with flaws of its own to be honest. The wester foes were not unbeatable ala current Warriors either, so I really believe we could have squeezed out another chip in that time period, had we some good talent on the bench. Together with 2008 and 2009, we could have had 3 chips to add to 07, but as they say history does not like the subjunctive mood. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 8, 2017 19:13:36 GMT -5
TenTwentyFour, welcome to the board.
2007-2008-2009 was the primary window. 2010-2011 was the secondary window. Lack of a bench, an aging core, and Rondo being the best player on the team were the 3 reasons some chips got away. That game [HASH]6 in BOS, when Lebron (MIA) went ISO all game, ended the last Celtic era.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 24, 2017 21:39:59 GMT -5
Huge decision to make regarding Marcus Smart. His shot is the biggest question mark -- it is historic level bad for a guy getting as much playing time as he does. And he doesn't hesitate shooting it either.
Even if he could be re-signed for 10 mil a year (which is dirt cheap), would we do it, especially if Rozier can prove his jumper is legit?
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Post by jmost on Nov 25, 2017 7:51:37 GMT -5
I think if Rozier plays like he did last night vs Orlando we don't resign Smart. There are only so many minutes available and with Brown, Tatum, Hayward and Irving eating up most of the non-big-man minutes, if Rozier can play a solid backup PG, Smart's value is questionable. I'd be more inclined to resign him if he would stop shooting anything outside of 8 feet.
I've noticed something about Smart, which is that he seems to become more of a chucker once we have a big lead. And that may be ok vs Orlando, but 15 points is not that much against top teams, and I don't like it. A bad shot is a bad shot regardless of the game situation.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 25, 2017 21:55:37 GMT -5
Well, what do you know. Smart throws a curveball and has a good shooting game -- albeit without jacking up so many threes.
So far tonight, he's scored 15 pts, and only took 2 threes (and made one of them). I like this Smart better.
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Post by afceltic on Nov 26, 2017 5:24:35 GMT -5
Well, what do you know. Smart throws a curveball and has a good shooting game -- albeit without jacking up so many threes. So far tonight, he's scored 15 pts, and only took 2 threes (and made one of them). I like this Smart better. I do too, but as we all know he will go back to shooting ten 3's a game once he goes back to the bench. But he gets credit for playing a great game last night. It was a very nice win on the road without two starters. It is wins like these that let us know that we have the depth and resolve to compete for a championship. |
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Post by TenTwentyFour on Nov 26, 2017 7:12:17 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that Marcus jacking threes is not done with Brad's consent. Remember after we traded KG and Paul, the next season Bradley (who had an atrocious offensive game at the time) went bonkers and started jacking 20 shots per game (allstar rate), bricking 80% of them? This rubbed a lot of fans wrong, and there was a whole Bradley hate community that demanded to get rid of the chucker, claiming he was the reason why talented offensive minded players like Jeff Green can't take the next step as they only take 7 shots per game.
Later it turned out the organization wanted to develop Bradley's shot, so they basically forced him to take them regardless if they went in or not. As a result, in a two season's time, Bradley became a complete player with a good offensive game. I for one, was among the people who thought he was hopeless in that regard, and would always remain a solely defensive player.
Do you really think that Brad (who has complete respect and attention of his players) couldn't stop Smart from taking those shots if he didn't want him to? Brad Stevens' players only execute his will...always, just like Popovich's Spurs. We are not the Cavaliers....
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Post by jmost on Nov 26, 2017 8:52:51 GMT -5
Smart said after the game that both coaches and players have encouraged him to keep shooting, knowing how hard he is working on his shot, and I have no reason to doubt that he's telling the truth. So, I'd agree with you there. But even if they all want him to keep shooting, there are good shots and bad shots, and I feel that he takes way too many bad shots. To me, Smart shooting a three (open or not) with 18 seconds left on the shot clock, when he's out there with Irving, Tatum and Horford, is a bad shot, because all of those guys shoot a much higher percentage than him.
This is his fourth season and I just don't remember too many players who were terrible shooters for this long and ever became good shooters. Maybe he lights it up in practice and he just needs to relax a little in game conditions, and his coaches and teammates all see this. No way for us to know.
I think Brad is a great coach and we're lucky to have him, but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to agree with everything he does. If Smart ISN'T showing more in practice than he is in games, and they're still encouraging him to shoot, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with that.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 26, 2017 19:28:15 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that Marcus jacking threes is not done with Brad's consent. Remember after we traded KG and Paul, the next season Bradley (who had an atrocious offensive game at the time) went bonkers and started jacking 20 shots per game (allstar rate), bricking 80% of them? This rubbed a lot of fans wrong, and there was a whole Bradley hate community that demanded to get rid of the chucker, claiming he was the reason why talented offensive minded players like Jeff Green can't take the next step as they only take 7 shots per game. Later it turned out the organization wanted to develop Bradley's shot, so they basically forced him to take them regardless if they went in or not. As a result, in a two season's time, Bradley became a complete player with a good offensive game. I for one, was among the people who thought he was hopeless in that regard, and would always remain a solely defensive player. Do you really think that Brad (who has complete respect and attention of his players) couldn't stop Smart from taking those shots if he didn't want him to? Brad Stevens' players only execute his will...always, just like Popovich's Spurs. We are not the Cavaliers.... Not only Brad and the players, but even Ainge said he wants Smart taking 3's. To his credit, Smart does knock them down in crucial situations. But there are also times when he takes 3's or shoots the ball in general, when it's not the right play. |
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Post by jhvos7979 on Nov 27, 2017 10:53:44 GMT -5
Definitely over $10 mil per year to keep him here. I don't think he will get $20 mil that he was looking for especially with the bad shooting he's demonstrated for the past 20 games.
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Post by TenTwentyFour on Nov 27, 2017 14:20:13 GMT -5
Did he demand 20 mil? Did I miss the info...I thought the details of negotiations were never revealed.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 27, 2017 15:32:48 GMT -5
Did he demand 20 mil? Did I miss the info...I thought the details of negotiations were never revealed. No, as far as we know, no figure was announced. A very liberal guess would be that he'll request somewhere between $10 - 20 mil per year. Where exactly he is aiming at, and what Ainge is offering is anyone's guess. |
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