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Post by jmost on Oct 10, 2017 11:59:09 GMT -5
I guess Marcus was asked about this, because both Boston papers had articles about it today. www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/10/celtics_notebook_marcus_smart_waiting_to_talk_new_contractI think I'd wait. I'd like to see if his new-found good shooting from deep is going to last. I know Brad loves him, but I don't want us to be one of those teams that cripples itself by overspending on good-but-not-great players - especially after Terry Rozier looked so good last night. Next summer Marcus is a restricted free agent, so it's not as if we're gonna lose him if we want to keep him. Having said that, I would not be the least bit surprised if the C's do extend him early. He'll never be the most talented player on this team, but he may be it's emotional leader, and that has it's own value. What would you do? Or, put another way, what would you pay him? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2017 14:07:24 GMT -5
I would extend him if he's willing to sign for somewhere around 12 million. Even without an efficient jumper (which is looking pretty good right now), Marcus is worth 10 mil because of how impactful he is on the defensive end, how much energy he provides the team, and he's turned into a competent PG -- maybe even a starting caliber one.
But if he's asking for 20+ mil, like the contract Gary Harris just received, then I'll have to pass.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 10, 2017 17:54:50 GMT -5
Roberson from OKC is a good comparison, $10m.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 10, 2017 18:15:02 GMT -5
Roberson from OKC is a good comparison, $10m. I don't think I'm being a homer, but if a general census was taken among league execs, I'd think most would rate Smart higher than Roberson. So if Roberson gets 10 mil, I guess 12 - 13 is around what Marcus deserves. But if Smart blows up this year, and averages 15 ppg, and is in the running for 6th Man of the Year, then his price goes up. |
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Post by afceltic on Oct 11, 2017 5:01:53 GMT -5
Roberson from OKC is a good comparison, $10m. I don't think I'm being a homer, but if a general census was taken among league execs, I'd think most would rate Smart higher than Roberson. So if Roberson gets 10 mil, I guess 12 - 13 is around what Marcus deserves. But if Smart blows up this year, and averages 15 ppg, and is in the running for 6th Man of the Year, then his price goes up. I hope we end up paying more only because if he is in the running for 6th man of the year, then we are likely going to be playing in the Finals if we stay healthy. |
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Post by jhvos7979 on Oct 11, 2017 13:00:40 GMT -5
It'll be between $15 - $20 million. Definitely be along the same number as Evan Turner got from POR. Only thing in favor with Marcus is that this morning there is a lot of teams with money to throw around max contracts.
Either you risk on Marcus to get a good market price or pay up now in case he blow up to Max type of dollars.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 11, 2017 13:57:25 GMT -5
Do you guys think Marcus is willing to take a discount?
First of all, he's seen the business side of basketball, where a beloved and cherished player like Isaiah Thomas, in spite of pouring it all out on the court (sister's passing, losing teeth, playing injured), is traded away at a snap of the finger.
But we've also seen Marcus willingly pass up a starting role, and also take himself out of a game because he was messing up -- so he knows his limitations, knows his niche.
Will he be accepting a non-star role (but an ever important piece to the puzzle) and settle for 15 mil?
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 11, 2017 17:44:58 GMT -5
BOS is in a favorable position. It could give Smart an offer now, favorable to BOS. If he rejects, not many teams have an open $12.5-$15m cap space available. Key take-a-way is that another team has to have the space available to offer a contract, which ties up the same amount in free agency when BOS is deciding, where BOS can sign Smart to a contract, space or not.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 27, 2017 13:55:20 GMT -5
I think it was a wise move to hold off on the extension. Either way, Ainge and Zarren already have a number in mind that they will not exceed, and that they're comfortable offering Smart.
But it gives us a chance to see Rozier's development this year. So far it looks like he's on another level. His confidence is higher, and his impact is observable.
Granted, Smart makes huge game changing plays, but Rozier chips in with lots of winning plays too -- as he often comes down with rebounds in traffic, and he pushes the tempo, and is finishing plays at the rim.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 27, 2017 18:08:28 GMT -5
I think it was a wise move to hold off on the extension. Either way, Ainge and Zarren already have a number in mind that they will not exceed, and that they're comfortable offering Smart. But it gives us a chance to see Rozier's development this year. So far it looks like he's on another level. His confidence is higher, and his impact is observable. Granted, Smart makes huge game changing plays, but Rozier chips in with lots of winning plays too -- as he often comes down with rebounds in traffic, and he pushes the tempo, and is finishing plays at the rim. Rozier has been playing great, however I expect his game to go down. First 4 games of the year, he was leading the C's in shooting % circa 48%. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 27, 2017 19:27:00 GMT -5
He's got a good shooting stroke, so I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps his % near 45. I want to see him finishing drives more, though. He can get to the basket, but the ball skips out more often than it should.
Rozier has been playing well in many facets, and I'd to see him continue to get heavy minutes and play as the lead guard.
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Post by jmost on Oct 27, 2017 20:20:08 GMT -5
It seems TR plays better when he plays more. Maybe it's a rhythm thing or maybe it's a confidence thing. I just think he has a higher ceiling than Smart, and I'd hate to see his growth stunted by not getting enough minutes.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 27, 2017 20:34:10 GMT -5
It seems TR plays better when he plays more. Maybe it's a rhythm thing or maybe it's a confidence thing. I just think he has a higher ceiling than Smart, and I'd hate to see his growth stunted by not getting enough minutes. I would think most "speed" players tend to do better once they enter a game, get a feel for that game's speed, and then know how fast to play. With Rozier, he does better with uptempo teammates. Guys who will run with him, guys who move with him in halfcourts sets. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 27, 2017 22:48:57 GMT -5
He's got a good shooting stroke, so I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps his % near 45. I want to see him finishing drives more, though. He can get to the basket, but the ball skips out more often than it should. Rozier has been playing well in many facets, and I'd to see him continue to get heavy minutes and play as the lead guard. A career 36% shooter? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 28, 2017 3:12:36 GMT -5
His role and playing time has been sporadic. Even the way he's asked to score would affect his %.
What i mean by that is, Rozier probably grew up playing basketball where he was ball dominant. His shots came off of quick pull up jumpers after taking his man off the dribble. Getting into this habit, you learn the rhythm of it.
But ever since he came into the league, his shots were more of the variety of catch and shoots and set shots, with the ocassional drive and pull up where he was out of control.
When Smart was out and Rozier was tasked to play Point, he looked more comfortable because he cojld play more his style. And he attacked more because he was used to playing this way. Thus, his percentages are so far better this year.
Again, he's got a good looking shot, so it should go in more often.
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