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Post by afceltic on Oct 28, 2017 10:38:15 GMT -5
I am ok with trading Smart if Danny can find someone who shores up one of our weakness, if not then I am fine with letting him walk after this season as he will get a contract that is too large for his productivity from some poorly ran franchise. I am expecting him to get at least 15M a season and he isn't worth that, not even close.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 28, 2017 12:55:24 GMT -5
Danny and Zarren probably have a number in mind, which was cosigned w/ Wyc & Steve (the owners). I do not think he gets as much as BOS fans think, because of his shooting. Plus, one of these years, other GMs will figure out individual players are better in Brad's system, and not as good out of it.
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Post by TenTwentyFour on Nov 5, 2017 15:24:03 GMT -5
1. Marcus Smart will be Marcus Smart anywhere he goes...a winner with heart and no shot.
2. Traitor Danny will not pay him 5 mil let alone 15...which will make my existence next year even sadder than it already projects.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 5, 2017 15:37:58 GMT -5
I'm hoping that Danny has finally learned his lesson. I'm still upset with him for trading Perk. That trade cost us at least one title and maybe two. I'm hoping that Danny will do the right thing and keep him. He does so much that doesn't show up in the box score (like Perk) but when those things are taken away is when you realize how much he does.
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Post by TenTwentyFour on Nov 5, 2017 16:35:35 GMT -5
During Red's times,as my dad tells me, if a player played for the team for more than 3 years he likely retired a Celtic. And while such approach would probably turn to disaster for any modern organization, it still must have been fun to be a fan during those times. Red's loyalty to players who contributed to winning is what made Celtic half-century-long tradition possible, and today, our key players are dumped faster than I change my socks. I understand Danny tries to increase our chances at a championship, but I'm the type of stupid person for whom not all winning is equal. I'd rather win one title with flawed but high character players who leave their heart out on the floor, then win ten titles with generic diva stars who all pile up on the same team to have an easy one.
And yes, I loved Perk too...something that I would probably get killed for saying on Celtics blog if I wasn't banned there already for impersonating Mike Gorman.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 5, 2017 17:38:23 GMT -5
During Red's times,as my dad tells me, if a player played for the team for more than 3 years he likely retired a Celtic. And while such approach would probably turn to disaster for any modern organization, it still must have been fun to be a fan during those times. Red's loyalty to players who contributed to winning is what made Celtic half-century-long tradition possible, and today, our key players are dumped faster than I change my socks. I understand Danny tries to increase our chances at a championship, but I'm the type of stupid person for whom not all winning is equal. I'd rather win one title with flawed but high character players who leave their heart out on the floor, then win ten titles with generic diva stars who all pile up on the same team to have an easy one. And yes, I loved Perk too...something that I would probably get killed for saying on Celtics blog if I wasn't banned there already for impersonating Mike Gorman. I started rooting for the Celtics in 1969 so I experienced quite a few of those years when players stayed with the Celtics for their careers. I, too, loved the loyalty the team showed to high character players who gave their all to the team. I've made no secret of being one of Perk's biggest fans and that Danny made the biggest mistake of his career when he traded him. |
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Post by jmost on Nov 5, 2017 22:19:28 GMT -5
I've never believed that trading Perk cost us any championships. He just was never the same after his injury in the 2010 Finals. Plus, James,Wade and Bosh began their run in 2011 and I don't think we were going to beat them at that point in everyone's careers.
If Danny had been "loyal" to Pierce and KG we wouldn't be where we are today. We'd likely be struggling to reach the playoffs.
I don't have any doubt Danny would sign Smart for $5 million per year. Probably $10 and maybe a little more. Just not $20. Smart does a lot of winning things. I just wish he'd shoot less.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 5, 2017 22:26:27 GMT -5
I've never believed that trading Perk cost us any championships. He just was never the same after his injury in the 2010 Finals. Plus, James,Wade and Bosh began their run in 2011 and I don't think we were going to beat them at that point in everyone's careers. If Danny had been "loyal" to Pierce and KG we wouldn't be where we are today. We'd likely be struggling to reach the playoffs. I don't have any doubt Danny would sign Smart for $5 million per year. Probably $10 and maybe a little more. Just not $20. Smart does a lot of winning things. I just wish he'd shoot less. I will always believe that we could have won in 2011 if Danny didn't trade Perk. They had the best record in the league when the trade was made and then the team took a nose dive after that. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 6, 2017 11:02:10 GMT -5
Marcus Smart was a +32 off the bench against the Magic in 30 minutes. The Celtics need to keep this kid. He does so much to help this team win.
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Post by TenTwentyFour on Nov 6, 2017 14:52:08 GMT -5
Danny knows Marcus is valuable to the team's success, but he'll still let him walk...the damned Mormon commits financially solely to clear star players, because he feels he can endlessly replace/rotate everyone else with the help of budged trades and yearly draft picks allowing himself to never go over the cap. He is so damn confident in his ability to continuously find cheap high character gems via those two routes, that he doesn't give a damn about loosing unique yet flawed players like Perk, AB, JC, IT, MS and probably even Jaylen Brown when their payday comes. As a result, those players inevitably end up feeling used. That approach really does seem to work well, considering one has danny's talent for character evaluation and trading, but one thing I think he doesn't realize is how damaging his approach might be long term to the legacy and image of the organization, so meticulously built over more than half a century. Celtic pride has always stood for family and "us vs them" mentality. Boston sports success is built on this notion, and Danny doesn't hesitate to use it to his advantage when he tries to recruit stars. It's very convenient after all. The only problem is, after a while everyone will start to look at the "culture talk" as a phony and disingenuous way to help lure free agents in and stimulate players to make sacrifices...you just cant sing about rich tradition and franchise values one day, and then do what you did to Isaiah the next day, saying "sorry its just buisness". Which one is it Danny, make up your damn mind. Does Celtic basketball hold meaning and values, or is it simply a generic business like any other franchise in this league? Make up your damn mind for the sake of Celtic, not your own integrity, because you will be gone eventually and Celtics will always stay. As my grandmother used to say, god bless her soul, you cant sit with one arse on two chairs...
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Post by jmost on Nov 6, 2017 17:02:30 GMT -5
Welcome TenTwentyFour!
I want Danny to do what is best for the franchise, which IMO is building a winning team. If that means trading a player, even a beloved player like IT, then I'm ok with it. I believe you can treat people well while they're part of your team and still be able to make the hard call when it's time to move on for one reason or another.
I want to see the best possible team wearing Celtic Green. Does anyone really want to root for a team that has no chance to win a title because Danny chose to be loyal to players by overpaying them when they're free agents and not trading them when an upgrade was available? Winning is what matters. Players must do what is best for them (Horford, Hayward) and teams must do what is best for them (trading IT, AB, JC). Sometimes fans get hurt, and sometimes players get hurt, but I don't think that means anyone has done anyone wrong. It's just reality in modern sports.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 6, 2017 21:34:24 GMT -5
Rozier is a little better player and costs way way less money.
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Post by mev17 on Nov 6, 2017 22:47:53 GMT -5
I've never believed that trading Perk cost us any championships. He just was never the same after his injury in the 2010 Finals. Plus, James,Wade and Bosh began their run in 2011 and I don't think we were going to beat them at that point in everyone's careers. If Danny had been "loyal" to Pierce and KG we wouldn't be where we are today. We'd likely be struggling to reach the playoffs. I don't have any doubt Danny would sign Smart for $5 million per year. Probably $10 and maybe a little more. Just not $20. Smart does a lot of winning things. I just wish he'd shoot less. I will always believe that we could have won in 2011 if Danny didn't trade Perk. They had the best record in the league when the trade was made and then the team took a nose dive after that. I have to respectfully disagree for two reasons (1) Rondo's elbow bent the wrong way in game 4 vs Miami - no way we win with Rondo playing with one arm; (2) when Perk did match up vs Miami the next year with OKC, he was useless against Miami -- couldn't guard anyone and OKC played better with Perk on the bench. He just couldn't match up when Miami put Bosh at the 5 and LeBron at the 4. Our best chance to beat Miami would have been in 2012, had Bradley not separated both his shoulders and Green been out with heart issues and both Pierce and Allen playing hurt. |
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Post by TenTwentyFour on Nov 7, 2017 6:29:48 GMT -5
Danny also should have never let Tony Allen walk... Bad bench is another reason (injuries aside), we couldn't get over the hump after the 2008 season. If only we had even one of Smart, Crowder, Brown, Tatum or even Baynes back then, we would have won 1 or 2 more chips. Avery Bradley was just what we needed, but unfortunately he came on a little late. By the time he developed, the big three era was on its last legs.
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Post by afceltic on Nov 7, 2017 7:13:58 GMT -5
Danny also should have never let Tony Allen walk... Bad bench is another reason (injuries aside), we couldn't get over the hump after the 2008 season. If only we had even one of Smart, Crowder, Brown, Tatum or even Baynes back then, we would have won 1 or 2 more chips. Avery Bradley was just what we needed, but unfortunately he came on a little late. By the time he developed, the big three era was on its last legs. We were not going to win in 2009 because of KG's knee injury no matter who was on the bench and would have still won in 2010 if it wasn't for Tony Brothers, Joey and Dan Crawford wearing Laker jersey's under their referee uniforms. 21-6 FT's in the 4th quarter of Game 7 alone and 37-15 FT disparity overall did us in as we still led by 4 going into said 4th Quarter in LA. Yes I still haven't gotten over that game and I won't until we win another one. |
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