eja117
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Post by eja117 on Dec 18, 2014 20:34:31 GMT -5
When Wojo speaks it's usually the truth Yahoo Sources w/ @spearsnbayahoo: Celtics showing a renewed willingness to trade Rajon Rondo. yhoo.it/1w0j7Gg What do you guys think? Worst trade in the history of the Celtics
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 18, 2014 22:28:19 GMT -5
Disagree. Not even the worst trade of the 2000s. That goes to the Vin Baker debacle. Now that was an awful trade.
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 18, 2014 23:54:17 GMT -5
Disagree. Not even the worst trade of the 2000s. That goes to the Vin Baker debacle. Now that was an awful trade. Gin Faker. Wow that was Antoine Walker for 3 bad.
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Post by mev17 on Dec 19, 2014 1:10:53 GMT -5
He held onto him too long. I can't really blame DA for that. Rondo's knee injury really screwed things up. You really couldn't trade him until around the middle of the 12-13 season. That 11-12 team took the Heat to seven games in the ECF. By the middle of the 12-13 you could see that the window had officially close, but then Rondo got hurt. Then last year by the time the trade deadline hit Rondo had not shown that he was fully over that injury. So basically we had this off season and this season to trade him. Sadly, it looks like this was about the best offer the C's were gonna get. While I'm not thrilled with the deal, I'd rather do this deal then do nothing at all and go into this season with Rondo a UFA. For me, the worst two options were: 1) Rondo leaves and we get nothing, or 2) We sign Rondo to a max deal. While this Dallas trade is no great shakes, I'll take it over the other two alternatives. I agree. I doubt we would have gotten more at the trade deadline because only a contender would be interested, so any pick we got would be a late first round pick, plus it is doubtful a team would pay that high a price to rent Rondo for a couple of months. Plus doing the trade this early allows us to trade the players we got before this year's deadline - and rumor per Stein is that the Celtics may not be done dealing. Plus the trade exception could be a potential asset, which we now have for this year's trade deadline. I don't think the rest of the league valued Rondo as much as we Celtic fans did. The lack of shooting, lack of FT shooting, the resulting struggles in closing games, and his inconsistency/rumored moodiness seemed to turn some teams off (for example, when NO was shopping Chris Paul, they had no interest in Rondo). As fresh outlined so well above, his knee injury came at a bad time vis-a-vis our trading him because it made him unmarketable until this year, when he can walk for nothing in the summer.
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Post by mev17 on Dec 19, 2014 1:17:48 GMT -5
I think he should have been moved at the deadline last season, I believe Ainge held out for too much. DA needed to get someone young that had potential in this deal. If this was all we could have got I would of rather taken my chances at the deadline and shopped him to a playoff team, would't get much worse than the late first we got. What is interesting is I believe somehow the trade creates a big trade exception somewhere in the 12.5 range. I don't know what we can do with it but I really hope DA knows. Two things though - (1) I don't recall any trade rumors last year involving any really good young players and high picks, except maybe Sacramento, but Rondo emphatically stated he wouldn't sign an extension with them, and (2) Boston's first plan was to try to bring in Love to pair with Rondo. Reminds me of the situation with Pierce, where we were at a cross-roads to either keep Pierce and get him immediate help or deal him and rebuild with young player and picks -- then KG and Ray became available (plus we missed out on the Durant/Oden lottery). We tried to do likewise by adding Love to Rondo, but when Cleveland lucked out with the #1 pick and landing LeBron, they jumped ahead of us in pursuing Love, so the next logical plan was get young players and draft picks.
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Post by nateval on Dec 19, 2014 11:57:05 GMT -5
I respect your point mev17 but I have to hold DA accountable. This was the worst case scenario, this is plan D. It's nice to have big dreams but you have to be realistic. DA vision was to put stars around Rondo so he gambled and kept him around. No stars are here and Rondo is now traded for next to nothing. Ainge's plan failed! Ainge had the wrong vision for this team, he overvalued his assets.
On a side note if somehow DA can swing Wright for a 1st it would help a whole lot with this trade.
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Post by derrenattheoffice on Dec 19, 2014 12:55:28 GMT -5
If the trade proposal with the Kings was true, that would have been a better haul than the one we got from the Mavs.
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Post by nateval on Dec 19, 2014 16:10:34 GMT -5
ā(Rondo) wanted out, but he would never say that though,ā - Thunder center Kendrick Perkins said about his ex-Celtics teammate to Yahoo. ā Marc J. Spears (@spearsnbayahoo) December 19, 2014
I love this quote. This quote is for fans that believe everything a player or GM says. Not every player is going to come out and say " I want to be traded" to the media. I would bet DA and Rondo were both on the same page with this. I doubt this was a shock to Rondo. Don't believe all of what DA says, it's in the best interest of the team to keep some things close to his chest.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 19, 2014 16:47:43 GMT -5
I respect your point mev17 but I have to hold DA accountable. This was the worst case scenario, this is plan D. It's nice to have big dreams but you have to be realistic. DA vision was to put stars around Rondo so he gambled and kept him around. No stars are here and Rondo is now traded for next to nothing. Ainge's plan failed! Ainge had the wrong vision for this team, he overvalued his assets. On a side note if somehow DA can swing Wright for a 1st it would help a whole lot with this trade. From everything I read the Celtics were still making Rondo offers this summer as well. Besides for maybe a week or two span, the C's were never serious contenders for Love. I think most of the summer was spent trying to find a suitor for Rondo.
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Post by nateval on Dec 19, 2014 17:25:41 GMT -5
I read a quote from Cuban saying they had been after Rondo since last December. I'm not buying DA squeezed Cuban for Crowder or Wright if that's what you're saying. I believe at anytime DA could have made a call or two and got a late first for Rondo
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 19, 2014 18:07:02 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that this summer there weren't any offers out there significantly better than this one. I do believe Dallas has been after RR for a while. I think this summer DA still held out hope a better deal would come from another team. Unfortunately for the C's that did not happen.
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Post by nateval on Dec 19, 2014 18:38:02 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that this summer there weren't any offers out there significantly better than this one. I do believe Dallas has been after RR for a while. I think this summer DA still held out hope a better deal would come from another team. Unfortunately for the C's that did not happen. DA made a hard push for Love and missed, he got IMO a low return for Rondo. I think Im pretty fair. I praised DA when he made great deals sending PP and KG to the Nets I'm not afraid to hold DA accountable for trades I think he missed on. DA misread the market now where on his plan C
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 19, 2014 18:58:15 GMT -5
I totally understand your point of view, I just don't agree that we sold low on Rondo (at least pre-ACL tear Rondo). I think this is pretty much the type of offers that have been available since last year.
Now, an argument could be made that the C's should've moved Rondo in 2012, but that's a whole other ball of wax. And for the record, I don't think they should've at that time.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Dec 19, 2014 18:59:24 GMT -5
If the trade proposal with the Kings was true, that would have been a better haul than the one we got from the Mavs. I think we could've gotten a decent deal from Sacto if Rajon hadn't made it clear that he wouldn't resign with them.
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Post by derrenattheoffice on Dec 19, 2014 19:23:03 GMT -5
Still think they would have offered a first rounder, which would be a better slot than the Mavs'.
But it just goes to show you that Rondo's trade value was pretty low. His luster isn't shiny like it was a few years ago. Not only because of his various injuries, but I think his reputation as a hard guy to coach has brought his value down.
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