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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 15:29:12 GMT -5
I think with Doc it was more just a sign of the times. Doc had his strengths as well. But I wonder if even stevens could have gotten those teams playing differently. Those were veteran teams. Always have been a proponent for players improving though.
It's weird how a lot of you guys are now a proponent for that when you dont' really talk like that most of the time. It's like simmons to me he says doc's story keeps changing and doc is like i'd like to call him an idiot.. Simmons is like I want doc to take responsibility. Maybe simmons should take responsibility for being a bad analyst. I think his story has changed a million times.
Espn is nto exactly the most responsible company in the world. They pay these guys millions of dollars to make incompetent analysis. If you listen to it they are wrong 90 percent of the time which when these guys are supposed to be experts in their fields that's kind of bad. For some its what they've chosen to do. For others they probably can't get a job somewhere else or have the balls or brains to do something better with their lives instead of being a pawn in some corporate scheme.
I get big business and they are trying to draw ratings and catering to the lowest common denominator. But not exactly responsible either. Logically speaking it can't be that good for society either. ESPN has some good analysts but they have some of the worst too.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 15:37:49 GMT -5
Eja what you say would make a lot more sense if you were a proponent for that yourself. I always have been. Always have thought guys can learn and get better and are human. No one is perfect. Most people go on the attack first instead of looking for solutions are thinking deeper than that. I get that and it's about taking c are of yourself and money and a lot of that, but even still. People are judgemental and make things more difficult too. There are few people out there just trying to do what's in everyones best interest. I get people come from different backgrounds and have different upbringing and belief systems and experiences but always have never been a proponent for ignorance. It's like what goes on in the middle east to me. They blow us up. People want to blow them. Then they get mad and want to blow us up. Stupid people. They want their place to practice their religion.
I was reading an article about jose Conseco the other day and how he shot off his middle finger. Kind of funny and people sending him their middle finger in ways. Peopel want him out of the gene pool. But I'd still never wish harm on another person. A lot of people were. I get Conseco might not be the brightest tack in the shed, did a lot of selfish things and messed up baseball, but he's still human and nobody's perfect.
espn is really no different in ways. lol.. Doc rivers had his flaws. So do a lot of people. I'd rather more try to work at improving and getting better. Kind of a shame really because i'm a smart guy. Have a really good heart and damn people are stupid sometimes.
People have differing opinions. It's what make sthe world interesting I guess.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 15:42:06 GMT -5
I am smart enough to shut it off too but it does amaze me what people get away with. That's America for you. Doesn't mean it's necessarily right or people need to be that stupid either. I am good at staying young though I'd like to think and making stupid comments like this in return lol. People who would judge me don't know me either that's the whole thing.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 16:11:23 GMT -5
People are free to have differing opinions. That's what freedom is about but there is a certain amount of responsibility that comes with that. Not to get all political but a lot of the media is about appealing to demographics vs teaching or educating people which is kind of sad. I listen to it and a lot of these analysts are being paid to be analysts and their analysis stinks. Most people would be fired for being that incompetent. Peoples motivations or whatever. But this is the country we live in. It's not all negative though. Lots of great stuff too. Like the Celtics.
The thing is deep down I know how I see this team. It's just logic really. And heart. We have a talented roster that can get better with time. We have good players. We have a good coach. We have responsible ownership and a good GM. I'm good with that. It doesn't end there either. It just keeps going.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 16:29:21 GMT -5
I agree with you anyways. Doc was not the best at certain things but more a sign of the times imo. Doc is human himself. He's a good coach and he's improving even still I would hope for his sake. To say Doc was a bad coach is kind of whatever. Doc was pretty smart and knew what he was doing in a lot of ways and behind the scenes he brought a lot to the table.
STevens is young. We have a young team. Stevens is learning himself and going about it that way where he has a lot to learn himself and so do his players and that's fantastic. With hard work this team is going places.
Deep thoughts by CF00... pontificating... lol... More just what I think. Doc Rivers had his flaws but was a good coach here. Won a championship.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 17:19:43 GMT -5
As far as stevens though young legs. This team is predicated towards that and can go far if we play to our strengths. Those other teams were aging teams. Watching the c's yesterday we were moving and pushing the tempo and just outworking the other team. Our guards were getting to the rim. We didn't have to shoot it a lot. That more came as the game went. Amazing how you get layups your shot starts falling. It's not going to be like that every night though. Just common sense. I don't care how old we are, we play to our strengths we can go far.
Rondo tonight had the ball in his hands a lot but when he didn't he kept moving. The team was constantly in motion. We spaced the floor well and players were able to get to the basket. We also shared the ball and our energy defensively was excellent.
Style of play is just as important as talent. We adjust when we hit adversity we will go even farther.
This team is talented enough. I don't care about that so much. Trades aren't going to be made right now anyways.
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Post by eja117 on Oct 30, 2014 19:33:56 GMT -5
CF00....don't take this the wrong way....what percentage of your posts would you say you write when you are either high as a kite or drunk as an Irishman? I ain't judgin. I've made a ton of drunk posts myself. More specifically how many of the last dozen or so were under the influence?
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 20:02:01 GMT -5
None at all.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 20:06:58 GMT -5
It's a free country I guess and that's what makes America America but do people have to be this dumb? And why? That's all i'm saying.
Logically speaking too guys like LeBron and players like that get together with other players and have to sacrifice parts of their game to work. Amazing players but It's just science. The Celtics have players that more fit together and can raise their games through hard work and play together well. Brad Stevens teams historically have overachieved vs underachieved.
Bill Simmons criticizing doc is absurd because he reports on a team that he doesn't even listen to what they are actually doing. The Celtics all along have said this.
The Celtics I have no issue with overly. They know what they are doing. They've also won championships for a reason.
Doc was right about simmons too. he needs to know the truth and doesn't. Weird how simmons left boston went to LA. Now he's questioning if ESPN is the place for him but criticizes doc for the same things. The truth is what it is. Especially how I mean it.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 20:14:31 GMT -5
I will never understand fans of a team who don't even listen to what they are doing. The Celtics have repeatedly said what that is. I get people have lives and different motivations and opinions but even still. It's not that difficult. Makes perfect sense to me what the Celtics are trying to do. I'd also love to watch a game with Tommy Heinsohn and talk about how great this team is and what they can do to get better in regards to them.
I understand what the Celtics are doing as much as i can, and I'm on drugs? I'm responsible like that. Some people will live whatever delusion suits tehm eja and you are no different.
Bill Russell made a living off making his teammates better and beating the lebrons of the world. Johnny Most said it best. I'll be the jerk of the week, but these lousy media guys I wouldn't be like them for all the money in the world. 90 percent of these guys who were counting us out and trading rondo have already changed their story. I'd never say never on that but never wanted to trade rondo or thought he was gone.
Maybe I just know what I'm talking about. Tommy was eating a pretzel during the broadcast the other night. That's awesome me. He can do that. Most of those same people can't take criticism themselves either. Maybe they can. But the truth is a lot of them don't understand what the Celtics are trying to do. I'm not saying they don't offer something else either. They do. But as far as analyzing what the Celtics are doing they don't know what they are talking about a lot of the time.
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Post by Celtic17 on Oct 30, 2014 22:13:20 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm not much on reading books when a couple thought-out paragraphs will do the trick. Must be just me. Tends to keep my attention more. I find myself skipping multiple posts (of length) that are about virtually the same thing. Again, it must be me... Or - I'm too looped on pain meds to focus that long. Maybe if I take a couple more. ?
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Post by cfoo on Oct 30, 2014 22:47:09 GMT -5
I quit smoking c17 when tony gwynn died. I'm a quitter lol but hopefully for the right things. I did that for like 5 years because of all the negativity and my own stupidity. Pissed me off too because i was really healthy before that. People cause pain in a lot of ways. I take an aspirin a day that's about it for me nowadays.
St ill hope you are doing alright. No offense is meant to anyone here overly so don't take it that way. You don't have to read this stuff if you don't want to either. I'm more talking about the media in general although this board and most blogs are not the most positive places in the world. Some of it is good. Some of it isn't. That's my soapbox. People learn in different ways.
I'm more just happy with what the c's are doing. Not so much for trashing Doc Rivers either. It's his life. For the best too imo. We have a good coach and he's doing well with the clippers. Some things just work out that way. I respect doc rivers as a coach though quite a bit.
People can have a difference of opinion but the disrespectful stuff gets me sometimes. Ignorance is another. The internet is like that sometimes. It's not face to face. I get eja was just saying or joking and he likes that Stevens is doing what Doc rivers wasn't too but different teams and situation and STevens fits this team. That's why he's here and Doc Rivers isn't. There was a lot of disrespect geared towards Doc for whatever reason.
Stevens has a young team and is teaching these guys to play the right way. That's very positive imo.
Makes sense yes. Group hug or something. huddle up.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 31, 2014 0:05:36 GMT -5
Never been a drinker or taken pills though. Maybe in my old age but fighting against that. I drink socially occasionally. Collge and stuff like that. Wasn't even a smoker until I got on the internet lol. The aspirin is more for my blood and to hopefully reverse any damage the smoking has caused. My blood flow isn't what it used to be which sucks because I have really good genes and exercise and everything. arthritis and all that is no fun. I'm not that young anymore. Still pretty young though.
My grandfather had his hip replaced at 80 lived until he was c lose to 100. Didn't smoke. my father smoked his entire life had a heart attack at 57 and isn't doing too hot at 70 with lack of oxygen in his blood, mainly due to that and a car accident where he messed up his legs where he can' t exercise too well.
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Post by Celtic17 on Oct 31, 2014 9:17:14 GMT -5
I quit smoking c17 when tony gwynn died. Good job! Saves a lot of money too.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Oct 31, 2014 9:46:04 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm not much on reading books when a couple thought-out paragraphs will do the trick. Must be just me. Tends to keep my attention more. I find myself skipping multiple posts (of length) that are about virtually the same thing. Again, it must be me... Or - I'm too looped on pain meds to focus that long. Maybe if I take a couple more. ? Not just you, I'm the same way. If it's the pain meds for you, maybe it's my heart meds... or maybe just senility setting in.
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