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Post by cfoo on Oct 18, 2014 12:42:59 GMT -5
NBA basketball may be fun to watch again. Just was rewatching those marcus smart highlights and at about 25 seconds in this one the ball movement. www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRhWp_dKn9I There isn't a whole lot of isolation or guys standing around. I also noticed how Smart always seems engaged. He may just be standing there and in the corner and playing his spot but he looks engaged at all times. Defensively as well he's not sleeping on you . He might appear to just be playing defense but the next thing you know he's taking the ball from you and going the other way. I think this kind of fits Brad STevens style and Smart is a good example of that. I think we are going to shoot the 3. Bigs are going to get open underneath and pick and roll and everything in between but just smart basketball no pun intended. It's also about energy and conditioning and want to. We are a young team but overall the energy has just been a lot better and players are sharing the ball. This is what we are going to need. We don't have that superstar scorer or low post guy who can just stand there and block the ball in your face. It's motion offense at it's finest. Sure we can add those pieces and give this team another dimension but this is still the base of what we are doing. I think with Stevens it's not so much go stand in the corner and wait for the ball. It's more like we need you standing in the corner and taking that shot. If you watch that play, Smart is waiting for the ball. He is part of the play. He is expecting to get the ball. It's all 5 guys.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 18, 2014 13:00:50 GMT -5
Back in the day nba basketball was very different and this stuff was a given as far as guys all playing off each other. Players were also much more fundamentally sound. Now it's so predicated on stars and give the ball to the star and Lebron James and everyone else watch Lebron dominate you with his steroid muscles. That's not how basketball should be. Sure you had your Larry Birds who would post you up and that was the play but even back then when Bird was doing that everyone else was still playing off the ball where Bird would find them. It was a play. That was why that Bird Fadeaway was so unstoppable because even though they knew it was coming they still didn't know what he was going to do. Bird would fadeaway but he was just that good. I think back then athletes were so much more fundamentally sound that way. McHale might have been a blackhole where they post up all these guys but those teams also had terrific ball movement and passers on those teams. They were actual plays being called. Give the ball to McHale.
Now the NBA is much more free flowing, and will never get back to that, but we might have a team that shares the ball. Basketball to me was always the ultimate team sport and the nba has lost some of that. It's become a very selfish sport in ways.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 18, 2014 13:13:54 GMT -5
Here's a video of bird hitting a fadeaway in Jordan's face just for fun www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoGmMx8EjrwThose 80's Celtics teams were masters of halfcourt basketball mainly due to their talent but also because they played well together. I remember watching it later in his career and how much strategy was involved with giving the the ball to bird in the post and letting him do his thing. It was a big to do every time he got it in that spot. Players would clear out. The help would come. Bird would shoot it as the help was coming over or pass the ball. Bird was older and not as fast as he used to be but he was so smart and would just toy with teams. I don't expect this team to be that but still fun.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 18, 2014 13:30:34 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtpjCnOoO1YBird fadeaway montage. The bird I remember was probably the last fadeaway in this montage. You can see Bird post up and point to the defender going to help and you can see Max cutting to the hoop to either get the rebound or for bird to pass it to him. All good stuff. This team is going to be different. We don't have bird. We do have KO. Bird was pretty damn good. All those teams were free flowing basketball teams. The 50's and 60's Celtics were too. Watching old games of those teams it's interesting how much the game has changed. I can still get engrossed in the amount of strategy involved and how smart those teams were. They were also very talented and fundamentally just really good. They weren't as physically gifted. Bird was ridiculous that way with his fadeaway. He could do so many things with one move. Kind of off track but it's all relative. Started watching those videos because I was just thinking about different styles of play. I'd like to get back to smart basketball. Birds shot was absurd. I still think Bird would just demolish a guy like LeBron even today and without steroids or b etter health. That shot was so good. His understanding of the game was ridiculous as well. It was like Bird was just toying with teams at times. There is no one like bird in the nba nowadays. Lebron guys like Dwade and Dirk are all really good players but I don't think the 5 guys we have it's not like we are trying to beat larry bird either. We have 5 really solid guys and some are even better than that ultimately if we play together. Lebron is a physical specimen. But I don't think guy slike Rondo and Sully and KO and Smart and Green and all these guys. I don't think Lebron is that good. I think we have 7 or 8 really solid players with Bradley and Turner in there plus James Young ultimately and other guys. I think Lebron is beatable that way if we play together and just keep adding to our talent. I think some people underrate guy slike Rondo and Sully and KO too. I think they are going to be really solid players for years to come. All starting quality players on good teams. Some allstar potential too. Maybe no superstars minus Rondo. Although Smart and Sully might have something to say about that. If DA has one flaw it's that this team never was that bad for a long period where he has been drafting lateer and drafting well where we have a lot of really solid guys. Maybe not superstars. But we do have Brad STevens and a ton of picks coming up to keep things fluid and get those missing pieces. That's kind of the whole point and why DA is smart. DA found a way where he didn't have to tank it for 20 years by just doing it right.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 24, 2014 18:14:29 GMT -5
Steven's Butler teams always played better than expected. The year they lost their only 1rst round draft pick, they made the NCAA final again.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Oct 27, 2014 22:04:51 GMT -5
Stevens has a way of getting the most from his players. He did that at Butler and he is doing that in Boston. They play hard for him. I love that he has the team running and defending and playing hard for 48 minutes. I like the way they don't give up but keep fighting. This team is going to be fun to watch this season.
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Post by Roadrunner on Oct 28, 2014 17:35:03 GMT -5
Stevens has a way of getting the most from his players. He did that at Butler and he is doing that in Boston. They play hard for him. I love that he has the team running and defending and playing hard for 48 minutes. I like the way they don't give up but keep fighting. This team is going to be fun to watch this season. Playing hard all season was rare under Doc, while w/ Stevens that was the norm. I think if anyone gets frustrated w/ Stevens, its not the coach, but the pieces that are left.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 28, 2014 23:41:53 GMT -5
That's the thing with these older teams is they have their style and sets and run the same things over and over. Great talent just dominates in those matchups. I think the Celtics are going to be successful by just playing harder and smarter than other teams and sharing the ball. Smart is the perfect pg for that. He's young but super talented. Rondo can fit too. It's not over for him yet.
But if the Celtics are going to be successful it's going to be like Tom Brady just making the right passes, and the right plays. Being smarter than your opponent and knowing the intricicies of the game better and just playing harder too. But as this team matures it's going to come easier. But pacing is huge.
Im not saying we are going to be devoid of talent either. Talent is important but the way the nba is style of play is just as important. The Celtics are going to be a young team that is successful mainly because of our style of play and the types of players we have.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 29, 2014 2:52:58 GMT -5
I think regardless how we build having a good core of players and group whether we go with rondo or draft a young star. Having that base here is going to be important. Smart, Bradley, KO, Sully all these guys growing and geling and establishing that style is going to be important.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Oct 29, 2014 8:23:22 GMT -5
That's the thing with these older teams is they have their style and sets and run the same things over and over. Great talent just dominates in those matchups. I think the Celtics are going to be successful by just playing harder and smarter than other teams and sharing the ball. Smart is the perfect pg for that. He's young but super talented. Rondo can fit too. It's not over for him yet. Red Auerbach won 8 titles in a row running just 7 plays. So it's all in how you do it. I think this team will have success just by outworking the opposing team on many nights. The smarter is where it gets a little sticky. We have several young players with very high BBIQ's and they are very smart. But, they lack experience in certain situations and that may be where they lose close games from time to time. They were in most games last season right up until the end and then just couldn't get over that hump at the end. That may happen some this year too, but it's going to happen less and less as the young Celtics gain more experience.
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Post by cfoo on Oct 29, 2014 12:26:04 GMT -5
I thihnk basketball is more a free flowing game anyways. Rondo likes to run the offense too much and direct traffic, but he's talked about playing more free. Bob cousy was a more free wheeling pg. I'm not sure the celtics back in the day called many plays. They just played as a team and free. They had chemistry and knew how to play matchups and find the right guys in the right spots. They played up tempo. They also outworked teams. They were also talented. That's always been t he staple of the celtics. Just team work.
Rondo has been saying it. It's about buying into stevens system. He's either going to do that himself or end up in sac or ny. He's saying the right things and is being a leader regardless in some form.
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Post by Celtic17 on Oct 30, 2014 11:43:46 GMT -5
That's the thing with these older teams is they have their style and sets and run the same things over and over. Great talent just dominates in those matchups. I think the Celtics are going to be successful by just playing harder and smarter than other teams and sharing the ball. Smart is the perfect pg for that. He's young but super talented. Rondo can fit too. It's not over for him yet. Red Auerbach won 8 titles in a row running just 7 plays. So it's all in how you do it. I think this team will have success just by outworking the opposing team on many nights. The smarter is where it gets a little sticky. We have several young players with very high BBIQ's and they are very smart. But, they lack experience in certain situations and that may be where they lose close games from time to time. They were in most games last season right up until the end and then just couldn't get over that hump at the end. That may happen some this year too, but it's going to happen less and less as the young Celtics gain more experience. Yup. That's where we need a 'go to' guy or two to finish with. We'll find out before long if they are in our locker room. If so, I could see that making this team a play-off team or damn near it. It should be a blast finding out.
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Post by eja117 on Oct 30, 2014 13:32:30 GMT -5
His style is great. It's like a real live NBA coach that teaches his players how to play. It's nothing like Doc Rivers
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Oct 30, 2014 13:52:14 GMT -5
Doc is a great coach for a seasoned veteran team. He can coach if he has all the trained horses. Brad Stevens on the other hand takes wild stallions and trains them to race together. He's perfect for this team.
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Post by eja117 on Oct 30, 2014 14:04:35 GMT -5
If Doc had been coaching yesterday he would have yelled at Rondo at some point for no real reason and he would have played Brandon Bass for 38 minutes and Pressey over Smart
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