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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 26, 2005 2:28:36 GMT -5
Among bench scoring, we rank near dead last (29 out of 30). Just a bit over 18 ppg, they put a lot of stress on the starters to produce. In comparison, the young Bobcats' bench average over 40 ppg.
Well, let's see, our bench, for most of the early season, has looked like this:
Perkins (3rd year player)
Jefferson (2nd year player)
Scalabrine (new member)
Gomes (rookie)
Reed (2nd year player)
Dickau (new member)
Greene (rookie)
That is one heck of an inexperienced group of players we rely on on our bench. This is why we struggle scoring.
But hold on because we will not remain this bad. Dan Dickau is showing life as a scoring option from beyond the arc. Jefferson is bound to be a scoring force soon (as soon as we start feeding him in the post more often). And Gomes, Reed, and Scalabrine are capable of making buckets when they're in a groove.
Our starters take up 80% of the scoring load--way more than they should be taking on. But this will change in time, and our record will improve.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Nov 26, 2005 4:42:00 GMT -5
...allen will be back soon...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 26, 2005 5:03:03 GMT -5
Yes he will, and changes will be made. I'm wondering whether this will push Ricky back to the bench. That will increase our bench scoring and the starting unit will benefit from Tony's throw downs off of misses.
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 26, 2005 14:33:46 GMT -5
I'm wondering whether this will push Ricky back to the bench. Before the season started I wanted RD off the bench. Now, no way... Ricky is having an All-Star like season, if not a top 15-20 type player's season. I see no reason to mess with his game at this point. I'm not so sure I want a guy on this team that is covering for the gunman at that night club. I don't care how good a player he is. I say we package TA and Banks, with Blount, to part ways with them all. Could there be any takers in the league? |
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 26, 2005 14:58:12 GMT -5
W/ Allen, I would like the Celtics to to wait for the "verdict." If guilty, package him away.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Nov 26, 2005 15:50:50 GMT -5
i like tony allen's game too much to send him anywhere. ricky will and should start anyway...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 26, 2005 17:59:11 GMT -5
I still like Ricky coming off the bench. His mentality changes when he's in the 6th man role and he unleashes his scoring as soon as he comes in. He'll still going to be a big scorer because he's now relying on his lethal jumper a lot more.
If you remember last year when Jiri and Ricky were battling for the SG spot, Rivers made his decision based on what gives the team a better fit. Jiri did not fit in with the bench, while Ricky could be used either way. Looking at the possible battle when Tony comes back, 2 things factor towards Ricky going back to his 6th man role. 1) Tony Allen is not instant offense like Ricky, and 2) we need a major boost in scoring off the bench (like I mentioned earlier, currently we are 29th in the league in bench scoring).
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 27, 2005 9:07:14 GMT -5
Our starters play a ton of minutes, leaving scraps for the bench. Part of this maybe due to Doc's rotations (or lack of), and the bench is "new" (rookies, FA's,etc).
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Post by esco33 on Nov 27, 2005 14:40:25 GMT -5
I agree with many of you. Ricky off the bench? No way. Two words - All-Star. Pierce and Davis are becoming the new version of Pierce and Walker (In a good way, meaning the two stars, or go-to players)
I like Allen's game as well, but if he is found guilty, he will be traded. Even if he is found innocent he may be traded anyway, if not this year maybe next year. Gerald Green makes him expendable.
Keep Blount on the bench, and let him be a scorer off the bench, if "he wants his touches" so bad.
Big Al will start to improve throughout the year, and he can be a key scorer contributor off the pine as well, although I have said from the beginning, I believe next year will be Al's breakthrough year. He is still too young right now, and he has a lot to improve on.
I also think Ainge will definitely make a trade around mid-season to get a scorer who can defend as well, to shore up those two areas a little.
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 27, 2005 15:44:08 GMT -5
I also think Ainge will definitely make a trade around mid-season to get a scorer who can defend as well, to shore up those two areas a little. I like this idea but what is the cost? This type of player is either on a teams no-trade-list or is move do to attitude or legal problems. It might be hard to get this player, without giving up some young talent. |
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Post by esco33 on Nov 27, 2005 16:13:45 GMT -5
I do not know who might be available, but it would probably be a player a lot like, well Tony Allen. Someone who is athletic can score from the bench, and defend as well. If T Allen gets cleared by the judicial system, and Ainge wants to keep him, then hopefully he can be that player, that 6th man. But he would be one guy that could get traded in this deal. I also would not be surprised to see Delonte go in a deal that would benefit the club.
Obviously if they could get rid of Blount or Raef's contract, then those would be two other players that they could possibly deal. Although I 'd prefer to keep Raef if I had to choose between the two of them. There is really nobody that we could get under the radar, and we do not have much to trade because of either the contract, or the individual player. Most of or players are all about potential. Nobody's really proven, except for the vets, and we do not have many vets.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Nov 27, 2005 23:31:58 GMT -5
Where has Ryan Gomes gone? Can't he be a backup PF to Al Jefferson?
And what is Scalabrine's role on this team? Can he be a legitimate contributor without guys like Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd setting the table for him?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 27, 2005 23:50:10 GMT -5
If Ricky is put on the bench, its not like he won't see a lot of minutes. If anything, his minutes are way too high and need to be decreased anyways. 43 mpg is going to wear him out by the time the playoff time rolls around.
If Ricky is on the bench, you can be sure Doc will put him in a few minutes after the start of the game. And when he comes in, he's going to really pour on the offense--something we've been sorely missing from the bench this season.
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Post by esco33 on Nov 28, 2005 18:31:00 GMT -5
Regarding Gomes, he SHOULD be getting more minutes. He can really be an option in the post. He is also a good passer as well. He definitely should be used more. He would be more valuable I think than Scal. Right now Scal doesn't have Kidd so he is not playing that well. I think Kidd made Scal look better than he really was. We don't have a point guard of that caliber so maybe that is why he is playing so poorly. (Poor excuse for trying ti figure him out). If Scal drives to the basket one more time and draws a charge, I will pull the little hair out that I have on my head (I have a fade).
Regarding Davis on the bench, he is versatile. He definitely can start or come off the bench. He has experience doing both, but I would rather have Doc try to find someone else on the bench who can score first before messing with the chemistry that Ricky and the starting unit, especially Pierce seem to have. (Davis - 6 assists a game, incredible). Maybe someone like Allen, or Gomes, Jefferson stepping up with more touches?
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 28, 2005 21:26:05 GMT -5
That's why I like West off the bench. He can come in as the PG or SG and give us some scoring. Gomes and Reed will be better at scoring as time goes on. Jefferson will be starting about then.
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