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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 29, 2016 21:33:09 GMT -5
I think Danny sees some promise in a player like Jackson and rather than a one year contract, he chooses to give them longer contracts so that if they do reach their potential and become good players then he's got a bargain and has them locked up. If not, only a year is guaranteed and so no loss.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 29, 2016 21:38:14 GMT -5
Brad has been a fan of Demetrius since his high school days.
Like FL said, they like him, and see a future with him on the team, and here's a way to secure the kid for a long time without spending too much.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 30, 2016 1:09:39 GMT -5
I think Danny sees some promise in a player like Jackson and rather than a one year contract, he chooses to give them longer contracts so that if they do reach their potential and become good players then he's got a bargain and has them locked up. If not, only a year is guaranteed and so no loss. Yup, and signing them to a 3 or 4 year deal ensures that you get their Bird rights. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 30, 2016 11:38:58 GMT -5
I read this on Mass Live. Eric Pincus is a cap specialist and has been analyzing the financials for teams for many years. I'm not sure which thread it was in but we had discussed whether Zizic or Yabusele could play for the Celtics after their season. It seems that the Celtics could have given up the cap holds for both players this season and then could not have signed them until after this season. But by keeping the cap holds in place, both could conceivably play for the Celtics this season. I don't see it but if there are a bunch of injuries it's at least possible.
As for trading Zeller, he can't be traded until January 15 or just in time for the trade deadline. I'm not sure if all of this means anything but I know we have discussed it and this gives us a clearer picture of what is going on with the Celtics on a couple of things we were talking about.
Also about Jackson's contract -by guaranteeing this season at the highest year of the contract it would seem that they are planning on him being on the team. But then he has to make good to get the next year guaranteed otherwise, they are out just this year.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 30, 2016 14:49:50 GMT -5
Lots of interesting moves, as in it could mean multiple things. If we are keeping an open mind about Yabusele and Zizic being on the team at the end of the season, and with Zeller being available for a trade in December, could Ainge already be angling for trade options before the trade deadline in Feb?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 30, 2016 20:24:07 GMT -5
I think Danny is always angling trades. I can see him contacting GMs and telling them that if such and such a player isn't working out for them he'd be glad to take them off their hands. Or if their team isn't playing at a high level, we have a draft pick you could use and we'd want "this player" for it. I can see him planting those seeds all around the league.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 30, 2016 20:42:56 GMT -5
I think Danny is always angling trades. I can see him contacting GMs and telling them that if such and such a player isn't working out for them he'd be glad to take them off their hands. Or if their team isn't playing at a high level, we have a draft pick you could use and we'd want "this player" for it. I can see him planting those seeds all around the league. Yep. He's already got contingency plans for his contingency plans. Ducks are all lined up. |
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 31, 2016 4:35:55 GMT -5
I disagree somewhat. To have kept all those picks this year was not a good plan. So because there is a slim chance those two picks play for us at the end of their season, or by mutual consent we load our cap up causing us to miss out on free agents or trades..
The only rational reason I see is that those two might be part of a trade.. Or replacement s.. But that's really thin..
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 31, 2016 4:39:56 GMT -5
I disagree somewhat. To have kept all those picks this year was not a good plan. So because there is a slim chance those two picks play for us at the end of their season, or by mutual consent we load our cap up causing us to miss out on free agents or trades.. The only rational reason I see is that those two might be part of a trade.. Or replacement s.. But that's really thin.. It was the worst kept secret that Ainge was trying to package picks for a more immediate return on investment. His plan was not to keep all 8 picks (which he didn't, cause he traded two away). |
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 31, 2016 4:52:55 GMT -5
Then that makes him a failure, or a poor planner.Or so afraid to make a bad decision.
There is nothing smart about accumulating all the picks and not using them for good. They hinder you.
I am beginning to think Danny suffers from my junk is gold and yours is rusty tin syndrome.
I went to school to be a engineer so my mind works in logic. There is none..
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 11:06:30 GMT -5
I disagree somewhat. To have kept all those picks this year was not a good plan. So because there is a slim chance those two picks play for us at the end of their season, or by mutual consent we load our cap up causing us to miss out on free agents or trades.. That's the beauty of guys on rookie contracts, they don't load up your cap. They make peanuts. If you want cap room, your roster needs to contain a ton of these guys, because there's really no other way to fill out a roster and still keep cap flexibility. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 11:11:09 GMT -5
I disagree somewhat. To have kept all those picks this year was not a good plan. So because there is a slim chance those two picks play for us at the end of their season, or by mutual consent we load our cap up causing us to miss out on free agents or trades.. The only rational reason I see is that those two might be part of a trade.. Or replacement s.. But that's really thin.. It was the worst kept secret that Ainge was trying to package picks for a more immediate return on investment. His plan was not to keep all 8 picks (which he didn't, cause he traded two away). I'd be curious to know if BOS looked at moving the #s 16 and 23 to get into the end of the lotto (say somewhere between 8-12) like PHX did. Boston did a pretty good job of dealing with such an influx of picks. You take your one big time prospect early, then you take a couple of draft and stash player, then you trade of your 2 highest 2nd rounder for a future first. So then you really only have one guy that has to be on your roster (Jaylen) then you can let those later 2nd rounders fight it out for the remaining roster spots. |
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 31, 2016 14:14:54 GMT -5
That is what I would have liked to see is them move up to grab a good player. Forget where buddy held went or Murray..
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2016 19:15:04 GMT -5
Buddy and Hield went top 7. Top 7 would've been tough to crack. There was definitely a tier in this draft of players between 3 through 7. I'm guessing we'd have to have dangled a future brooklyn pick to get into the top 7 again. I would've been OK with them trading up to get Poetl, but I think it would've taken a king's ransom to pry him from the Raptors, who knew they were gonna lose Bismack Biyombo to free agency.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 31, 2016 21:06:59 GMT -5
It takes 2 sides to make a trade and even though Danny tried to bundle the picks, it's obvious that no one made him an offer for them. It's obvious that making 8 picks was not plan A and he did trade away 2 of the picks but no one took him up on the offer of the rest. Either teams don't trust Danny right now after what he did to Brooklyn or they were happy with where they were and didn't want to move. Or, maybe they made offers that would mean that Danny would be giving up too much.
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