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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 29, 2016 3:24:53 GMT -5
The truth is we don't know exactly what was and wasn't offered. If each time you make a trade you are expecting to get robert parish for rick Roby? That pick is a unknown quantity. If he turned down a genuine NBA starter for it, then shame on him.
I think somewhere I read that teams are Leary of dealing with Danny because he tends to fleece teams aka Brooklyn.
Perhaps he overvalued his junk. Tyler Zeller for 8 million a year? Yes I think that's a good GM.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 29, 2016 17:03:11 GMT -5
Nowadays we read all sorts of random stuff. No idea who the source is. It's silly. If it's not Woj or Jackie Mac, I take it with a huge grain of salt. Someteims Mark Stein is plugged in, sometimes he's not. Everyone else seems to be guessing. I can only judge the dude on what I've seen him do. He inherited Paul Pierce and a pile of overpaid crap in 2003. By 2008 we were hanging a banner. And that's without any luck in the lottery. Then he took a rapidly aging team and rebuilt it. We only missed the playoffs once during this rebuild. We just signed the second best free agent on the market this summer. We have 7 first round picks available over the next 4 years. If that isn't a masterful job of running a franchise, I don't know what is. If the C's canned Ainge at least 25 other teams would be checking on his availability. Dude is the bomb at what he does.
And Zeller's contract isn't great, but it's perfectly fine. The old adage, there's no such thing as a bad one year contract holds true. And what game changing player were we really going to sign on a one year. 8 million dollar deal? There's no game changing player available at that price. His contract is less than 1/10th of our salary cap this year. It's hardly holding this team back.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 29, 2016 19:00:02 GMT -5
Fresh, excellent reminder of the great job Danny has done here throughout his tenure.
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Post by jmost on Jul 29, 2016 20:11:52 GMT -5
Danny has had his share of misses, but then, so did Red. Overall he's done a very good job, and if he builds a second championship team, with all new players from the first one, you'd have to say he'd have done a great job. Where we are today, compared to the old "going nowhere" team we had just a few years ago, is amazing.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 29, 2016 20:19:56 GMT -5
Exactly. Think back to who we had the year Doc left and Brad came in. We had guys like Keith Bogans, Gerald Wallace, Marshon Brooks, Jordan Crawford, etc.
But Ainge kept tinkering and tinkering, and kept adding solid under the radar types, and with the terrific job Brad Stevens has done coaching, Ainge has assembled a team that is ascending to the top of the East.
This is a master at work!
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jul 29, 2016 21:35:48 GMT -5
I agree. The fact that the Celtics didn't hit bottom and stay in the lottery for years like the Sixers makes the job that Danny is doing even better. I hated to see Pierce and KG go but I have to admit that it sure did speed up the rebuilding process.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 30, 2016 1:13:37 GMT -5
Exactly. Think back to who we had the year Doc left and Brad came in. We had guys like Keith Bogans, Gerald Wallace, Marshon Brooks, Jordan Crawford, etc. But Ainge kept tinkering and tinkering, and kept adding solid under the radar types, and with the terrific job Brad Stevens has done coaching, Ainge has assembled a team that is ascending to the top of the East. This is a master at work! Yup, and hiring Brad Stevens was a terrific move as well. Lots of GMs are scared of hiring college coaches, because their failure rate in the NBA is sky high. But the C's were able to tell that he was a different breed. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 30, 2016 1:25:23 GMT -5
Yeah, that was a hire out of left field. How critical of a loss would that have been if some other team had moved before Danny did and hired Brad? I cringe to think of who would be our coach at this moment?
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Post by oldtimeball on Jul 30, 2016 4:28:33 GMT -5
And then there is the Perkins trade. And the not signing tony allen. Mulligan on the Posey subtraction..Although if he had stayed here that team would have probably won 2 more.. And Posey would have probably been overpaid but productive..
Reading the glowing positive editorial of Danny reminded me of that other team in Boston.. We were in first place 60% of the year. But you choked lol.. Yada yada yada lol.
The bottom line is that you cost this team multiple championship s.. The bottom line is that you choked on your own success, promised big changes and done nothing.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 30, 2016 11:00:47 GMT -5
I'm still a fan of the Perkins trade. You got a future first rounder from the LA Clippers in that deal, back when the Clips were the worst ran team in basketball. It was just bad luck that the NBA nixed that Chris Paul to the Lakers trade and that the Clips were able to get him. And Perk was never the same after that knee injury. He was pretty much hobbled the entire 2011 season, so even with him we weren't getting past the Heat that year. They had our number. And in 2012, the reason we were succeeding was because KG had gotten a 2nd wind moving to the center spot, which would've effectively moved Perk to the bench, where his impact would've been minimal. I love Perk as much as the next guy, but he was toast after that knee injury. Ask any Thunder fan about him. Love the guy, love his locker room impact, but he just couldn't move on the court anymore.
It was pretty well reported that Boston offered the same money as Memphis. He just wanted to go somewhere where he had a chance to start. Ray Allen was here and still pretty good. Nothing you can really do about that.
Posey had one good year after he left Boston. That was 09, the year KG missed the playoffs. This team wasn't gonna win a championship without KG. By the next season Posey was so bad he wouldn't have been part of the rotation. By 11 he was a total bench warmer, and by 12 he was at home getting paid by the Pacers not to play basketball. The C's saw the right was on the wall with Posey.
The only way this team wins multiple championships is if KG doesn't get hurt. That demolished the 09 Celtics campaign (the C's were so good that year too, it's a shame). And while still effective, he was never the same player after that. That's the risk you take when you build your franchise around 30+ year old superstars.
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