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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 21, 2016 0:52:49 GMT -5
Heard some time ago Bill Simmons say (I'm paraphrasing) that we don't have to rush (or panic) to do anything if the right trades don't come our way. If we can't land Durant, or even Butler, we shouldn't settle and make a less than ideal move just to make a big splash.
Says why are we in a rush, or why are we in a win now mode? No one says we have to contend next year. We ought to remain patient if nothing happens, and keep along the path of accumulating and developing young players until an optimal move comes by.
I agree with Simmons.
Even without making drastic moves this summer, we can be a 50 win team next year and most likely a top 4 team in the east. We can pounce on a right deal when the opportunity arises.
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Post by jmost on Jun 21, 2016 7:13:34 GMT -5
Absolutely agree. I don't want to trade any of the 3 remaining Brooklyn picks for anything less than a proven star in his prime (or younger) and with several years left in his contract, or with the right to negotiate an extension pre-trade. The only exception would be trading this year's [HASH]3 and a smaller asset in exchange for the [HASH]1 or [HASH]2. I'm not sure any team has ever been in the Celtics' position, a 48 win, young team, with what looks like top 5 draft picks lined up for the next three years thanks to the Nets - not to mention all the other draft picks in their possession. If Danny does nothing except pick "safe" choices for the next three years the C's should be really good, and the teams that are clearly above them right now will be three years older. No need to be rash! Bundle as many of the late first rounders and second rounders as you want, just hold onto that Brooklyn gold.
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Post by eddietours on Jun 21, 2016 7:59:00 GMT -5
is everybody ok the [HASH]3 for Okafor ?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 21, 2016 9:05:59 GMT -5
JMost, I'd be ok with just adding high draftees over the next few years, and waiting to see how good a team Brad Stevens can make us. Good players will bound to want to be a part of us.
Eddie, it seems Okafor's value around the league is not what Philly hoped it'll be. The [HASH]3 is too much to give up for a big man who doesn't fit the new trend in the NBA.
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Post by eddietours on Jun 21, 2016 9:09:22 GMT -5
any news on Noel i think he fits the Cs Better
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 21, 2016 9:12:29 GMT -5
I read that we'd be more inclined to trade the [HASH]3 for Nerlens, over Okafor.
But I may still want Bender over Noel, only because Bender has more upside offensively.
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Post by eddietours on Jun 21, 2016 10:40:45 GMT -5
what about the 3 for kris middleton !!!!
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 21, 2016 13:07:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade the [HASH]3 for Noel, Okafor or Middleton. Maybe package the 16 and 23 for Middleton. But Noel is good defensively but limited offensively. Okafor is a good inside scorer but not very good on defense. Danny has shown with previous picks and trades that he values defense and so I just don't see him giving up that [HASH]3 pick for Okafor, who is not very good on defense.
I agree that Bender has a much higher upside than either of them.
I also agree 100% with Derren (And Bill Simmons) that we don't need to do anything rash this off season if the right trades or free agents aren't available. I'd rather do nothing than waste cap space and picks to get a marginally better player than the ones we have. I really like most of the players on the Celtics now. Besides, most of those players will come back better than they were last year. Improvement from within. I love their play hard together as one superstar attitudes. Patience is the name of the game.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 21, 2016 13:31:23 GMT -5
Here's an adjusted to the question Eddie proposed:
What about Middleton + the 10th pick for [HASH]3 (and cash or expendable contracts)?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 21, 2016 13:47:38 GMT -5
That's a bit more tempting. Middleton is a known quantity who would fill the need for a scorer. The Celtics could get a decent player at 10.
But it would depend on how highly Danny rates players like Bender who will be gone by the 10th pick. It would also depend on who else is available in free agency that Danny feels he can get. The Celtics need a center/rim protector and scorers. Middleton would fill the scoring need but there are so many other variables that have to be considered. As I have said many times - I sure am glad I don't have to make that decision.
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Post by mev17 on Jun 21, 2016 22:24:16 GMT -5
If we could get Middleton and the [HASH]10, I would take it. It doesn't seem once you get past the top 2 that there is a big difference in talent among the remaining players - Middleton (18 ppg, 40% from 3, solid defender) is arguably better than anyone at [HASH]3 (which is why Milwaukee apparently has so far rebuffed our trade offer). Middleton + 10 would be worth trading the number 3.
IF the articles I've read are correct, and we just can't get any team to send us an established player for the [HASH]3, I would draft Dunn and then fleece a desperate Philly team that finds itself stuck with 5 young big men (Sakic, Embid, Noel, Okafor, Simmons) and no perimeter players.
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Post by mev17 on Jun 21, 2016 22:26:08 GMT -5
The player I really hope falls to us at 16 (or we trade up and get) is Valentine from MSU. Mature, complete player who understands the game. He would give us a good backup to Crowder at the 3.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 21, 2016 22:43:52 GMT -5
I really like Valentine, but reports are coming up about him having potential knee problems, ala Danny Granger.
As for Middleton and the [HASH]10 for the [HASH]3 and change, if we are not sold on Bender, and if Smart is a long term fixture in Boston, then yeah adding Middleton makes sense.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jun 22, 2016 0:00:03 GMT -5
I would've only entertain a [HASH]3 for Middleton + [HASH]10 if we have a partner beforehand that will deal a pick in the 6-8 range for [HASH]10 and [HASH]16. and then i'd only do it if we could get bender or brown.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 25, 2016 14:46:10 GMT -5
After the draft a lot of people were very disappointed with Danny not making a trade. I thought back to this thread. I read some of the asking prices for players like Butler and Middleton and Noel and I'm glad that Danny didn't give up too much for them.
One I saw said that Bulls wanted the [HASH]3 and [HASH]16 picks along with Smart and Crowder for Butler. First of all, I don't think that Butler is worth all that much. Crowder may end up as good as him and much more versatile. I wouldn't have done that trade either.
There is still free agency with a lot of money to spend. OKC and Golden State both built through the draft and the Celtics have a good chance of doing the same with the Nets' picks over the next couple of years all the while they are staying competitive.
After reading and watching video of the players he picked, I like them. Most are high upside players. I'm willing to be patient to avoid making a mistake with a player with a big salary that won't really make us all that much better than the players we traded away.
Our young players - Crowder, Bradley, Isaiah, Smart, et all will come back better than they were last year. So, even without adding anyone the Celtics will be better. We are adding a versatile, NBA ready player in Brown and probably at least a free agent or two.
I'll be patient and hope Danny will be too.
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