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Post by meltinjohn on Nov 6, 2005 0:24:22 GMT -5
Only tonight much worse. We shoulda had the defending EC champs and that was extremely bothersome that Hamilton got lucky with that shot but tonight forget it. The bobcat loss was the absolute worst. A team full of scrubs vs up and coming stars and a few already developed seasoned guys and the scrubs rallied and took the lead then won in ugly fashion. I mean 4 to F'n 2 in this overtime and Boston only had 2 points??? Disgraceful. Blount and Raef do make that much a difference in tight situations after all. Had both not fouled out, Boston woulda beat Charlotte. Hell, Blount in my opinion won the game for us last night. Rips shot should not have counted but it damn well did.
Perkins, Jefferson and Scalabrine in Overtimes is not smart especially Perkins for scoring purposes or Scalabrine for anything really. Jefferson coulda done something but hes still a kid but in fact, I blame the fact he got 5 fouls and sat out, he coulda hit a few big shots to win the game tonight. Perkins and Scalabrine just could not cut it regardless if Ricky Pierce and West were out there. In another post though, I will focus on how well Delonte is doing. I don't wanna doubt this team at all but I am starting to especially in tight 4th quarter situations. I have a feeling this is gonna be yet 1 more long season full of mishaps and such. And why isn't Gerald Green playing? I haven't seen much of Gomes either.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 6, 2005 3:14:00 GMT -5
The reason why we lost in overtime was because we had to rely on so many young and inexperienced players. Remember that Delonte is just in his second season in the NBA, and this is only like his 10th game that he's started. Both Perkins and Jefferson were playing big minutes toward the end of regulation and in overtime, and they were doing some good things out there. But couple them in with Justin Reed (another player who's basically playing his rookie season because he barely had any minutes last year).
Yes, had Raef and Blount been in the game, we may have won this game (actually, we should have won this game). But our offense has been in some trouble the past 2 games and we are out of sync. I'm sort of putting the onus on Pierce and Ricky for this because they are the ones who have been holding the ball too long, throwing off the timing on offense.
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Post by Lakerhater8 on Nov 6, 2005 15:31:03 GMT -5
Sorry to disagree with you Derren. Paul SHOULD have shot the ball more in the 4th and OT.
He had 30 points after 3, with most of them coming with Paul getting the ball in the post and hitting his turnaround 15-18 footer. The Cats started to double him and he was kicking it out, but nobody was hitting anything.
Where was our adjustment??
Why wasn't Paul getting any screens to come off of to catch and shoot??
Perk should have made that 5 footer at the end of OT. Paul WILL make that shot 70 % of the time like Mike Gorman said.
If Paul would have had more looks in the 4th and OT he would have had a better rythem.
To lose a game to the BOBCATS with a 10 pt lead with 3 and half minutes to go is unacceptable to me.
Delonte, Blount and Raef had some HORRIBLE calls against them.
Al bricked both of his freethrows at the end of regulation, but overall played his best game of the season.
Even DD had a pretty effective game. Orien has been a deer in headlights at this point, pretty dissapointing to me after watching the pre season.
We have three tough games this week, Memphis, SA and Houston. Although Houston is without TMac.
I would have liked to see Ryan get some minutes.
As far as Paul and Ricky holding the ball Derren, I really haven't seen that that much. Doc is calling the plays for Paul on the block, and Paul is our best post player (yes, even better than Al). Paul has been moving the ball quickly out of the double team. If he isn't doubled, I want him shooting the ball EVERYTIME.
Ricky is the most effective coming off of the baselind screens. Juswt have him curl and hit that 18 footer all night.
There have been alot of positives out of the gate, but lets get some results too.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 7, 2005 3:07:00 GMT -5
Before I say anymore, I want to make this clear that I'm not bashing Pierce or Ricky. I'm not making them out to be selfish players who are only looking to be their own scorers nor are they purposely taking themselves out of the system to boost their scoring. I'm saying that our offense is out of sync and it has some to do with Pierce and Ricky not passing the ball at the precise time in order for our motion offense to work. For some reason, as the game was becoming more crucial, and as the turnovers were starting to accumulate, they were second guessing their passes and holding back, which was throwing the timing of the plays off. And since the ball goes through these 2 guys' hands the most, they need to make sure the ball keeps moving in the flow of the offense.
When Pierce is hot, feed him the ball. There was a stretch where he hit about 3 elbow jumpers in a row and in those situations where he's feeling it, I don't mind feeding him the ball. But there have been a lot of plays where Pierce gets the ball on the wing near the three point line, not in scoring position, and there are players cutting and slashing to open spots where they'd normally receive passes. But Pierce was not passing the ball at the time he should have been, but instead was holding onto the ball an instant too long and the window to pass to the open player had passed. He's been doing this a bit, especially in the 2nd half the last 2 games. The reason why he was scoring was because he had to resort to creating for himself and lucky for us, he was getting fouled and getting us points that way. But this is the type of game we are trying to get away from. Sure Pierce can score 30 pts, but it does us little good if the rest of the team is not in sync with him. It turns back to Obie ball if Pierce is off to one side and the rest of the guys watching on the other side--and this is what it turning out to be because the timing was off and guys didn't know what to do. They were running in to each other and getting into each other's way. We should not have to go back to Pierce being our only source of offense. In the 1st half, the ball was moving around much better and the passes were crisp, and the timing was in sync. This led to more players getting looks at the basket and defenses having a harder time keeping up with us.
Their was no adjustment because its hard to adjust to a player who is not moving the ball when it needs to be done. I do agree that we should have called more plays for Pierce that would have freed him up to get his shot off. But instead, he was resorting to creating shots for himself because there was nowhere else to go. Doc needs to do a better job of calling plays when our offense becomes stagnant, especially for Pierce and Ricky.
Same with Ricky--he's holding onto the ball too long. What I mean by this is they are not passing the ball at the right time. If I'm a cutter or a slasher, when I flash open, I want the pass to come to me in stride, right as I'm curling after the cut. But both Ricky and Pierce aren't making the passes right at that time--they pass after the player's momentum has already stopped and now the player is fighting to keep his positioning in front of his defender. The way our offense is designed, the timing needs to flow and its not flowing because the ball is moving in sync.
I think we are going to see quicker and crisper passing from our guys. I'm sure Doc will have the guys practicing this during our 3 day break in between games.
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Post by meltinjohn on Nov 7, 2005 19:03:17 GMT -5
Heres 1 drawback why the bobcats game was a pitiful ending. Jefferson missing free throws.
Nyways, what I notice with Pierce is hes not shooting it as much and when he does, hes not in position especially late that game. I do see him passing it up much more though than last year. I have seen all the games on the free league pass preview which unfortunately ends for me before the memphis game. I will tell you who I am not impressed with:
Scala
Reed
Orien
Scala is proving to be a piece of crap that Danny overspent for and is doing nothing more than what Googs did last year. Justin Reed on offense looked very poor. Orien also didn't look so good like preseason. His passes even looked off. I have no idea what people were thinking by saying Orien can bypass West to be the starting pg. West has done remarkably. Blocking big guys and everything. He played better defensively than Bibby does. Dickau now, who knows. He looked better last time I saw him. Gomes and Greene really have to get pt and they should sit Justin and Scala out to make pt room for them.
I like what Blount has been doing. You can tell hes disappointed about last year. Hes stepped up his play sorta close to his contract year. We need this out of him. Raef rebounded well offensively. I like their offensive rebounds they've been getting. I notice many second chance points came back and thats why they were in the detroit and ny games. West was stealing from everyone. See, there are nice things about this team but first things first, Banks needs to return and so does Allen and Gomes needs to play over Scalabrine and Green needs to come in in place of Reed.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 7, 2005 21:55:13 GMT -5
IMO, Scala is fitting in better with each game. He's finding how he can be effective and there has been a glimpse of hope with Scala in every game so far. Its only for a brief moment in the game, but I do feel that he'll become more valuable with time.
Reed hasn't been impressive if you are looking for him to put up big scoring numbers. IMO, this is not how to ideally use him. He's our energy player and defensive presence on wing players who's contributions on offense are just bonuses. To use him strictly for his offense is not the way to go. His energy and defense are his calling card.
Orien is playing tentatively right now and not attacking like how he was in preseason (from what I've read). But give the rookie some time, Meltin.
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Post by meltinjohn on Nov 7, 2005 22:29:50 GMT -5
The fans right from Massachusetts go harder on players than you or outside celtics fans would you hawaii pineapple melonhead. Anyways, I'd rather see what Gomes can do in there than see Reed thus far. I want to see Gerald also. Gomes is better than Reed I feel. Scalabrine now, he was only better last year because Kidd makes that difference when it comes to making players better around him. Scalabrine will only do better if someone on our team currently changes into a great player who makes those around him better and that certainly isn't Paul Pierce. Thats basically all the hope I see for him really.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 8, 2005 0:31:34 GMT -5
I also feel that Gomes is a better all around player than Justin Reed, but Justin's extreme hustle (though sometimes a bit out of control) is what gives him a niche. In time, Gomes' value will be clearly seen and I predict that he will be the starting SF shortly, pushing Ricky to the bench. This is a good move because Gomes gives the starting 5 a player who can score under the basket because we are just too perimeter oriented with Raef, Delonte, and Blount all doing their damage from 12 feet and out.
But when Tony Allen comes back, Gomes will have to make room for him. That is unless Gomes makes a big impact--this might force Ainge to consider moving Tony off the team to give Gomes more playing time to develop even more. Whether this means sending Allen to the D League or trading him, I don't know. We'll have to see how Gomes does first. I'd hate to lose Allen because he's one of the better players on the team, but Gomes adds a specific role that is hard to replicate. Allen mirror Ricky in a lot of ways.
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 8, 2005 0:38:55 GMT -5
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 8, 2005 0:54:50 GMT -5
Nah, don't take it that way, C17 ;D Justin Reed does have an important niche on the team. He's going to fit in well with the team once we start running more. Like Tommy said, he hasn't seen anyone sprint on the fast breaks the way Justin does in years. He fills the lanes very well and he's a threat to dunk the ball hard on the breaks. He'll gel well with Orien Greene once Greene gets comfortable with his game and starts pushing the ball for us. Its hard to get in front of Justin on the breaks because he has a strong body and you'll have to foul him hard to disrupt him.
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Post by meltinjohn on Nov 8, 2005 1:37:16 GMT -5
That incident by Tony also makes you wonder. Heres a good trade idea, don't deal Allen in this one but make a 3 way deal sometime with Cleveland and some 3rd team. The c's could give Scala and Banks/Allen or Scala and Reed alone and Scala will go to 1 team, Reed goes to another, another team throws in their first going to us, cleveland throws in Drew Gooden, the 3rd team will throw a 2nd rd pick to the cavs plus another guy maybe. Although I think Danny would have to throw this 3rd team a pick (whichever one is the lowest plus we'd get their pick and they'd get Reed. Scala would go to the cavs plus a 2nd rd pick.
This way, the steal of the deal will be to give up very little and we get a guy worth more than that value. Danny I think could bring Drew G to Boston and he can play within the system and excell. It would move Raef or Blount to the bench though.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 8, 2005 19:02:40 GMT -5
Drew Gooden is worth more than Scalabrine and a 2nd round pick. And no team would give up a 1st rounder for Justin Reed.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 8, 2005 21:55:00 GMT -5
Drew Gooden is worth more than Scalabrine and a 2nd round pick. And no team would give up a 1st rounder for Justin Reed. Right you are, Fresh. Anyway, Gooden will be a costly backup PF if he came here. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Nov 8, 2005 21:59:18 GMT -5
Gooden would help us out on the boards. We do need help. Not sure about his scoring. And of course, we would have to entertain his "entourage."  |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 8, 2005 22:15:40 GMT -5
Well, rebounding isn't necessarily a problem for us right now. We currently rank 3rd in the league in that category, pulling down over 47 boards a game. Can you believe we can actually claim to be one of the best rebounding teams in the league? I mean, for years, we've been the doormat. Even if its only after 3 games, this still makes me happy. The effort we put into rebounding is much improved. Especially from the guards. Delonte has been coming up with a bunch of boards from the backcourt.
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