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Post by cfoo on Aug 30, 2014 16:21:09 GMT -5
Assuming Ainge is done which I don't feel like he is, we are pretty deep right now with 3 teams that can all play and players expected to make the cut that might not. Assuming Gerald Wallace is still on the team he might get playing time ahead of Turner for the time being as it stands. Smart and Young may command time. Rationally speaking james young is the youngest player on our team but he's talented enough where he could crack the rotation and I'd actually like to see that. Favarani played well early last year and has had a year to work on different things. Assuming KO and Sully still share time at power forward we also have Bass. Joel Anthony. Colton iverson as it stands is the odd man out. I would expect Ainge is looking to move Bass and Thornton and even a player like Jeff Green. But joel anthony and Bogans could be first to go. Evan Turner is currently vying for time in the rotation and there aren't going to be a ton of minutes to go around at the small forward spot unless we mix and match somehow with Wallace and Turner and Green taking time at SG and PF at times.
If our most experience and talented team is getting minutes that includes
Rondo Bradley Green Wallace Sully KO
Turner Smart Bass Zeller
That leaves all these guys vying for time and roster spots
Favarani Young Iverson Anthony Chris Johnson Chris Babb Pressey Thornton
Bogans is just waiting to be cut or traded... I'd have to think Favarani, Young, Thornton and Pressey are going to get minutes and at least a couple of those guys may play a part in the rotation.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 30, 2014 16:31:42 GMT -5
the celtics typically in evaluating players usually use players in stretches. So it's possible we go with favarani then zeller and use them and rest them as such. There may be stretches where we can do that without losing continuity. I think ultimately you want a set lineup in ways but having competition and being able to play the hot hand and who's ready etc has it's benefits. That has as much to do with GM'ing as anything is knowing when to pull the trigger and make moves that way. The nba is a long season and we should be able to evaluate where there is no r ush that way but as preseason goes so will the celtics to start I would guess in ways. Ultimately the goal this year is to play these guys though and come out with more answers than questions and an established core of sorts. We have too many guys eating time at certain spots.
The good news is we have talent and a good mix of talent too. There should be good competition for spots. We really can go 3 teams deep of quality nba roster worthy players.
I also still don't see Rondo being traded any time soon. Ainge has done his best to accumulate talent that fits Rondo as much as any other scenario. Options are open, but we are loaded with wing players and bigs who can do a lot of different things. We have a lot of options for Rondo to get people the ball. We also have players who can handle the ball outside of rondo. But with him running things could get interesting.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 30, 2014 20:44:35 GMT -5
I see BOS playing some of the tradeable vets early in the season to increase their value, then shift to playing 1rst/2nd/3rd year players toward the end of the season as development.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 31, 2014 3:47:11 GMT -5
I'm interested to see who actually makes the team and what roles they are going to fill though. I feel like Ainge is just waiting for preseason and a couple moves will be made as well as cuts once teams are kind of forced to make moves to shore up things.
Right now guys like Chris Johnson and Babb and Iverson are afterthoughts. Pressey, Turner and guys like Favarani are all vying for time. SAme with Thornton. Young too. Not sure how we are going to fit them all in. It's not too bad though. Depth is always good. If worse comes to worse CJ, Babb and Iverson will be cut.
I think Ainge is shopping for something though. Bass seems like the logical choice to me but trading him is not easy. We have to take something back to match salaries and it doesn't really solve much because Bass serves a purpose as much as anyone who we could get back for that price. Unless he's dealing Rondo along with Contracts or dumping guys like Joel Anthony Bogans I don't know. I don't believe Rondo is going to be moved yet. The Celtics don't know the answer to that and neither does anyone else. I still think it has nothing to do with who we are getting back. The Celtics simply haven't made that decision on rondo nor do they need to right this second. Most people who have made that decision already it's like Rondo racism anyways. The Celtics are going forward with him and with the intent of building around him because there are a lot more reasons to do that instead of anything else . They are set up either way ultimately but I think the goal this year still should include Rondo.
The only way I see Rondo being moved before the season is if they brought in Turner to handle the ball and take some of the pressure off Smart so they could part ways with Rondo earlier. I still feel like building with Rondo is a great option though. He just is going to cost a lot of money. Might be worth it though. That's kind of what this year is for imo. We have other players who can handle the ball in Smart, Pressey, Bradley and Turner. I think that's protection in ways. If Hibbert for Rondo is in the works and the best we can do so be it. But I don't think that decision has been made and there could be absolutely nothing to those rumors like every other one as well.
Evan Turner is going to play a big role one would think and as it stands he's struggling to get 20 mpg with Green and Wallace there. Wallace sits Turner is the 6th man that's different. But with Smart and everyone else still difficult. I tend to think Turner is going to be a good part of how things shape up though.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 31, 2014 7:04:10 GMT -5
Turner won't be a star, but he was completely misused in PHI. He has to have the ball in his hands to be effective.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 31, 2014 7:23:36 GMT -5
Gerald Wallace is a whole other thing. I was just reading an article where the Celtics want Wallace to show something and have something left. I can see why but because some guy quotes some other guy on another website doesn't mean that's what the Celtics want. He's apparently washed up but surprisingly still only 32 years old and has 2 years at 10 mil per left. 2 more years of Wallace is a lot. I wish the Celtics could just work out something with his contract or he retires but that's not how it works. So they kind of have to get something out of him whether he becomes a roleplayer for us or something else. That's a lot of money for a team to take on.
Right now we have Green, Wallace, Turner, Young, CJ etc. Something has to give there.
Wallace at least gives effort. His stats might not be very good but just how hard he plays makes a difference. He shot 50 percent and even though he averaged like 5.7 points in 24 minutes he was still probably a positive player on the floor ala Scalabrine just because of his effort. I don't know what the plus minus is on Wallace but it's probably not terrible. 10 million for that is a lot.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 31, 2014 8:20:21 GMT -5
Turner is talented I think. He needs the ball in his hands and his shot isn't that great yet is why he struggled in indy. Whether Rondo can get him the ball ala green his first year might happen. Both he and Green can attack the basket. We have other g uys who can do that too in Sully and KO and Bradley. Green lead the team by far in free throw attempts last year though. I think he was 4th in the league for small forwards in free throw attempts. I think having him as the lone guy isn't that great but we have guys that attack the rim. Smart too. Rondo is the key there how that all works out.
Thinking about what we got Turner for by waiting vs guys like what Hayward were getting though it looks like a really good pickup. I don't see a huge difference between Hayward or turner. I think talentwise they are different. Turner more handles the ball and doesn't shoot for range yet. Turner probably fits us better because Green can range out and finish where Turner is more of a ball handler and creator.
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Post by nateval on Aug 31, 2014 8:33:35 GMT -5
Turner won't be a star, but he was completely misused in PHI. He has to have the ball in his hands to be effective. Wallace had some decent games last year, he definitely plays hard. The problem with Wallace is he's overpaid not that he can't play. Iverson has already signed overseas so he wont be here. I think Young will start the season playing in the D League and end the season on the Celtics roster. I agree with roadrunner Turner needs the ball in his hands that's what made him such a good player in college. A Turner Smart back court would be interesting. I think Turner could lead this team in scoring. Bogans deal is non guaranteed IMO he will be traded or cut before the season starts. I still think it's a little crazy the Turner deal hasn't been made official.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 31, 2014 10:20:57 GMT -5
Makes me think there is something else in the works that Turner hasn't signed. Maybe just waiting to be sure something doesn't pop up. He'll probably sign once everything is set for sure. DA always seems to wait until the last minute to make sure I think until everything has been turned.
I don't think Johnson or Babb should make the team either. I'm kind of glad Iverson is overseas. He didn't look too good in summer league. You are probably right about young. If that's the case our roster pretty much is set. CJ and Babb should be cu t. Same with Bogams.
If our 15 man roster is
Rondo Bradley Green Turner Wallace Young Thornton Bass Sully KO Zeller Favarani Smart Pressey Anthony
That's 6 bigs in Sully, KO, Zeller, Fav, Anthony, Bass. 4 small forwards in Green, Turner, Wallace, Young. 5 guards. Rondo, Pressey, Thornton, Smart, Bradley. We'll probably trade off a few guys during the season to make room for next years draft and free agency. Young starts in the d-league. We have 2 inactives and 12 active roster spots. Anthony and someone else would be left off the active roster.
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 3, 2014 18:41:26 GMT -5
Turner won't be a star, but he was completely misused in PHI. He has to have the ball in his hands to be effective. Wallace had some decent games last year, he definitely plays hard. The problem with Wallace is he's overpaid not that he can't play. Iverson has already signed overseas so he wont be here. I think Young will start the season playing in the D League and end the season on the Celtics roster. I agree with roadrunner Turner needs the ball in his hands that's what made him such a good player in college. A Turner Smart back court would be interesting. I think Turner could lead this team in scoring. Bogans deal is non guaranteed IMO he will be traded or cut before the season starts. I still think it's a little crazy the Turner deal hasn't been made official. I definitely would like to see Smart play some of the 2, and I think w/ Turner that would work well.
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