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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 26, 2005 4:01:10 GMT -5
Doc is on record as saying that he is still undecided on whether to keep Ricky in the starting lineup or if he should return Ricky back to his position from last year (one that he excelled in).
Do you think he should continue being in the starting rotation? Or do you think he'd be a bigger help to the team by coming off the bench?
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Oct 26, 2005 12:22:17 GMT -5
i doubt that we see regular rotation take shape until tony allen returns. dominoes keep falling into place during november
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Oct 26, 2005 15:10:10 GMT -5
6th man, definately. He is much more affective off the bench.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 27, 2005 1:29:18 GMT -5
Gotta agree, E. I like him coming off the bench too. I think he has more focused energy when he comes off the bench, and he knows its his primary job to score.
But ultimately, he's going to play a lot of minutes as a starter or as a 6th man. The reason why I like him off the bench is that we may be able to use Gomes as the starting SF, and that will give us help on the glass--seeing how Blount and Raef are still not producing rebounds.
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Post by bleedgreen on Oct 27, 2005 9:01:20 GMT -5
Let's look at what is working for us NOW ! In presaeson, he has been starting a lot more and since he has been starting, our first unit is playing like a "first unit"! They are scoring more, playing better defense, passing more, rebounding better and just setting the tempo ! I think Ricky has contributed to all that. You don't fix what isn't broken ! For THIS year, THIS team, we need Ricky to paly along side Paul. Just look at Paul's numbers ! He is scoring at easy, more relaxed, LESS, much less TO's - his game is heading into MVP ! Ricky needs to start, because he seems to "jump start" Paul...
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Oct 27, 2005 9:21:10 GMT -5
i agree with bleedgreen here
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Post by eddietours on Oct 27, 2005 9:44:46 GMT -5
yup ricky should start you could just see it went pierce and him are together just like bleedgreen said btw ogreen has a knack for finding people cutting, did you guys see that pass to reed under the basket wow.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 27, 2005 12:52:20 GMT -5
Yeah, Ricky has been able to get Pierce better looks at the basket when he penetrates into the lane and kicks it out to Paul. Hard to argue that. But as far as Ricky's value is concern and where he can really make his impact felt, I feel that it should be as a 6th Man.
Ricky has gotten off to slow starts and has struggled with his shot this preseason. In last night's game, he didn't even attempt a shot till about the 8 minute mark of the 1st quarter. Ricky started to heat up when he got into his rhythm, but that came as he was looking to score. He started doing his pull up jumpers (which is highly effective and I wish he'd use it more often) and got himself into a nice rhythm.
Ricky hasn't gotten off to good starts as a starter, and quite a bit of the earlier preseason games, Ricky didn't have good games at all.
You don't want to totally load up the team in the front end and have nothing in the back end. Its not as if Ricky won't ever play beside Pierce if he's not starting. Doc subs players in a few minutes after the game starts, and if Ricky's the 6th man, Doc won't take long before bringing him in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2005 15:38:09 GMT -5
Doesn't matter if he starts or not. Only thing that matters is that he gets around 30 to 35 mins a game cause this team can only go so far with Ricky's shooting.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 27, 2005 16:40:58 GMT -5
Right, JHVOS. Ricky will get his share of minutes regardless of where his is in the rotation. And I feel that Gomes has shown early glimpses of being a nice fit with the team. Because he roams around the basket, he comes up with offensive rebounds and putbacks--which is good with our starting unit because our bigs play away from the basket (Raef hangs out near the arc and Blount near the FT line).
Have Gomes start at SF for the 1st few minutes of the game and then sub him out for Ricky. In turn, Ricky will have all this energy to release on opponents after watching the game from the sidelines and his scoring will be more effective.
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Post by eja117 on Oct 28, 2005 8:24:42 GMT -5
I think since there is only one basketball and everyone on the team has some offensive talent we only need one or 2 scorers on the court at a time and a lot of defense. It's also nice to have a vet in the second unit. Seeing as how he did so well in this role last year and our second unit had such issues this preseason I'd try not to fix what ain't broke
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Post by Ossric on Oct 28, 2005 9:44:07 GMT -5
I think since there is only one basketball and everyone on the team has some offensive talent we only need one or 2 scorers on the court at a time and a lot of defense. It's also nice to have a vet in the second unit. Seeing as how he did so well in this role last year and our second unit had such issues this preseason I'd try not to fix what ain't broke it would be better to have 3 scorers on all the time, that way there will always be 1 open on offense. You can put a defensive specialist on 1, double team the other, but you can't double team the 3rd guy too.. |
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Post by bleedgreen on Oct 28, 2005 9:55:14 GMT -5
it would be better to have 3 scorers on all the time, that way there will always be 1 open on offense. You can put a defensive specialist on 1, double team the other, but you can't double team the 3rd guy too.. I agree. If we look back at the great championship teams....they all had at least three scorers. Lakers - Magic, Worthy, Scott, Kareem Celtics - Bird, Mchale, Parish, Wedman, Danny Bulls - MJ, Pippen, Hodges, Kerr WE need Ricky to start, so that we won't have to work too hard in games offensively - that's why we lost so many close games at the end ! |
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Post by eja117 on Oct 29, 2005 15:48:21 GMT -5
normally i agree but i don't think Kerr was the next best scorer. It was Horace Grant, and later Toni Kukoc, but Kukoc was a 6th man of the year.
I would also agree, but last year the team did better with Ricky as 6th man. You could argue we usually had 3 scorers last year then, if you'd say Al J and TA were scorers if you compare their 6ppg to Kerr's 6ppg
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Oct 29, 2005 17:23:06 GMT -5
But in the starting rotation, Ricky has not been scoring. He seems to be holding back at the start of the game when he's in the starting lineup. This is because Pierce gets a lot of the early looks and because Blount has supplied us with an additional scoring punch. And if you think about it, Rivers is going to bring Ricky in after a few minutes of the game, so he'll add his scoring punch along with Pierce and Blount when he comes in--but what this does is it gives opposing teams a different look. Now they have to strategize to guard Ricky coming off the bench.
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