Will Saric slide to 17?

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bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/06/danny_ainge_talks_it_up

Some interesting comments from ainge in the herald. He's definately valuing this draft more which is good. Still some questions how we value our #6 pick but Saric shouldn't be on the board at 17 imo. That's the latest rumors are that we are interested in him. Thing is if you watch Saric he's actually a better player than Mcdermott in a lot of ways. Similar but Saric doesn't really have any weakness to his game. He's pretty good all around. Also makes me wonder what the celtics have in store if he is selected.

The celtics usually don't draft guys like this. He's bpa and that's good but you usually see guys like this go to the nets or orlando or some other team. He isn't a superstar either necessarily. I've fought those things for years about you need a gold medal guy or silver or bronze because we had Pierce, KG and Ray and I think some players are made anyways, but he's more just a good player to develop if we build that way. That's more how I'd like to build anyways with good players and developing them. You still need those stars but lots of good players is good too.

I made the comment when i first started talking about the draft kind of sarcistically that you know the celtics are going to take Saric. I said the same thing about Fab Melo too. Because this is definately a danny ainge pick and you know he would. The difference is Saric is actually good. We also have KO and Green at those spots right now but he's a better player than both those guys potentially.

If we get Saric at 17 that's a really good pick. He's been slotted to go higher though.

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Any player we take could bust but if you watch Saric play he really doesn't have any weakness to his game overly. He seems to me like a guy who should go higher than that. If we are targeting him this leads me to plan F in ways too. Because there may be ways to get a guy like this.

He isn't wiggins or in tha tclass. He could bust. But he's not that different than some of the other SF's ranked higher up in the draft. he's not a superstar either I don't think. But he has some pretty good upside.

Maybe he will slide to 17 because other teams are scared off because he's going to stay overseas but will play for us.

We need those star players but we also need good players and guys like KO, Saric and whoever else all fit that San Antonio way of doing things. Saric might be a better version of KO ultimately. More like our ginobli or diaw all in one sort of guy.

Saric vs McDermott is a good comparison though. Saric is better imo but we'd have to wait.

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Potentially Saric could be that guy though and an important pick for us and that bronze level, Ginobli/Diaw all in one player who might be better than KO in that regard. If the Celtics are looking to go the way of San Antonio he very well could be that guy and we should probably get him.

Embiid, Saric. Now all we need is tony parker. We still have rondo too for another 2 days at least. That's a lot of waiting though.

Maybe this is why we want a 2nd round pick. And the 8th pick. Still a lot of waiting in a deep draft.

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something isn't right with the saric rumors though because he said he would play for boston earlier. Are teams going to draft him and wait 2 years? I thought he would play for us or the lakers but apparently not. 17 actually seems high to me with that. Maybe 2nd round. He apparently wanted a promise to be a lottery selection and wasn't getting that. So he's signed overseas. the question is more is he worth the 17th pick? DA in that a rticle is saying we'd get a true player of note. Saric might be that but not for 2 years. 2nd round? #17? I can see Danny taking him 17 but that's half our draft not playing which is fine in theory if we want the best talent we can get with our picks. The Celtics can also go out and compete with that talent waiting in the wings but it will be a bit.

Plan F here we come? Kind of sorting out his situation as I'm writing this but he appears to be locked overseas for 2 years. He has a 3 year deal with an o ut after 2 years. He may stay overseas as well. He appears to have that potential but that would take a pretty good gamble on that too. So the question more to is he that good to wait that long?

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The way I read that is Saric wanted a promise from the Celtics or lakers to take him at 6 or 8 and was marketing himself to those teams. He didn't get that so he's going overseas because of money and possibly development reasons. One wo uld think if this is a deep draft we could get a better player at 17. Or Saric really is worth that.

We would then own the rights on him and have to pay him lottery money in 2 years to get him to come over here and possibly more than that or he just continues to stay overseas depending on what he is being offered. That would be the slow rebuild approach though.

Taking embiid, smart or Gordon and waiting on saric as they develop isn't out of the question if we are trying to model ourselves after the spurs though. I don't know if I see tony parker there or Duncan or even Ginobli yet but it's that in theory. Don't forget about Elfrid Payton either as a sleeper over Smart. Not sure either guy is Tony Parker.

[eja117]

I wouldn't want to waste a pick on the next Fran Vasquez. Hey. Anyone seen Mirotic lately?

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The issue with Saric is he may just stay in Europe and not be that good either. that's why I hate these rumors is they are all over the place. in theory it's good. In reality probably not so much. It's DA's job to determine If a guy is mani ginobli and worth taking that risk. The spurs could do this because they had tim Duncan. We'd have an injured center and maybe that.

I didn't like saric that much at first but he's grown on me because of hype or whatever it is. I think saric is a good player though potentially. Waiting 2 years on a player that may be that is really pushing it. Plus Embiid.

This is why I want other opinions though thanks eja.

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haven't seen Mirotic at all. Players like this are gambles and you have to know what you are doing though. Saric could be good. The last player I actually liked like this was Rubio and he turned out alright. Other than that though you have to know what you are doing and be able to scout players like this.

If Ainge takes Saric he would have to be good. Unless you are pau gasol or Dirk or a no brainer player like that it's difficult to scout these guys.

I don't know if I would flat out pan Saric. I did at first and my gut was that but watching tape last night he actually looks like a potentially good player to me but not a superstar.

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McDermott vs saric is a good comparison to me. Saric you have to wait 2 years. both have some upside but potential bust factor as well. I like both but I don't at the same time. Definitely not my normal style of drafting and doing things but trying to look at other ways of doing things is all.

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I think Saric has some talent over a guy like Francisco Vasquez myself. But reading the hype they make him sound like dirk nowitski. He isn't that either. That's what I'm tryi ng to determine.

Difficult to trust others opinions too on the internet and have to determine that myself. Thanks though eja. I think ill go back to thinking Saric is Fab melo until I can determine otherwise.

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there are still other ways to build and players can be found that way. That's what plan F is to me in theory. Maybe not saric though but other options and solid ones that Ainge might be able to find if he scouts hard enough with an open mind. That's a lot of work if we build that way though and I'm not sure Ainge is that type of drafter. He can become that. But historically he hasn't been very good that way.

Other solid options. Keeping Rondo fits into that as well potentially. Drafting a solid player at 17. It still depends in ways. Ainge would really have to do his homework on guys like this though.

I don't think Ainge has an ego like that and is willing to learn new things himself. He's more open minded like that. He's smart to ignore the internet though that way and figure it out himself.

If we draft Saric it's definitely a danny ainge pick that way and him trying to be t he spurs. But from the Celtics perspective it would be more an experiment and might not have the same results. That not his MO.

I hope ultimately the Celtics do things their own way and being skeptical on a player like Saric is part of that. Not a typical player you'd see the Celtics draft. When they do it's usually not good either. Dino Radja was solid but even he didn't fit into a bigger plan. A lot of these euros don't. Some do if you draft them correctly like the spurs have.

lightning doesn't necessarily strike twice either. Just because the spurs built that way our situation is completely different. In theory it's good but how the Celtics do things will be different.

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If we build through the draft it's going to take scouting a lot of players and trying to make the smartest selections we can. Some players we are gong to like and others not so much. Saric would be one of those guys I'd figure who would fit somewhere in the to be determined category. 2 years is a long time to wait on a player like that.

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This is a scouting report on all these guys from an Orlando paper no doubt. th eboston media is just as bad sometimes

www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2014/6/22/5826008/nba-draft-2014-evaluating-dario-saric-nik-stauskas-tyler-ennis-and

I read that and it's like yeah. Stauskis is the best player of that bunch to me. Stauskis is primarily a shooter at this point though. He can also handle the ball but isn't that adept at getting into the paint. Saric has some skills but who the heck knows. Players like Ginobli and guys like drazen petrovic are very rare. There are other euro stars that are a dime a dozen and come over here and are exposed.

Tyler Lashbrook needs to go back to school.

I've also read he is a stash player and we don't even know that. If he was you'd think someone would draft him. Having him go in the top 6 is crazy though. Philly was apparently interested and so were we. Or he was interested in us. Even that is hard to determine.

I th ink he is skilled in a lot of facets. There's no real flaw to his game overly. Whether that translates to the nba is the question. A lot of hype surrounding these guys.

[freshnthehouse]

Depending on who is left Saric could be a steal at 17, even if we have to wait two years. I'd rather he develop his game on some other team's dime, and then come here when he is 22 and a more developed player.

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That's the thing. I'm kind of taking the I don't know stance on him. I like him better than McDermott in ways. He could be worth a gamble. Drafting some player at 17 who's going to be nothing more than whatever, I'd rather take a guy like Saric in ways. There may be other players like this though as well. We'd have to feel pretty good about him though.

He seems more like a 2nd round gamble though. It depends how high he is rated . Teams may still really want him for all I know.