Would you want Embiid if he lands to us @ 6?

[nateval]

Embiid has played one year at Kansas I don't think anyone on the planet believes he's going to dominate early in his career

[cfoo]

Not panning him at all either. I'd probably still take him although not sure either. More just information. Because that's what he is. He is a gamble. He is a guy you have to kind of hold y our breath a little bit. He is a phsyical force. Back or foot not working not good.

Duncan lasted so long because he was a different kind of player too. If you watch Duncan in the post vs Embiid very different players. The way Embiid uses his body and spins and everything is very different than Duncan.

Embiid relies on his physical tools. He broke his foot from overuse. He also hurt his back. Do the math.

[cfoo]

pierce not the most physically dominant player. probably the most durable player ever. emmitt smith same thing. not the most physically imposing guys. Duncan also was not an athlete like that. Different plaeyrs taht last a long time.

[cfoo]

we have the 6th pick im still not sure id use it on embiid regardless of if he is supposed to go there. There are other good players. Not on his level though. Maybe if we can get another pick taking a gamble on him would be better. Sully, Bradley, and guys like that were later picks. DA is a gambler and not afraid to take risks but he's also not stupid. Just trying to think rationally here. The celtics also passed on Oden and Brandon roy who were higher picks. It's different when you are gambling with picks that high. I dont want to bank our future on that either. If we get him we should have a contingency plan is all im saying. He could be fine. He could miss a year and come back great. He looks like that kind of guy in ways.

I still think kevin love is the best option if it can be done. It might not be able to though where we have to look at this. But that's how i would rationalize it. Hopefully the celtics are as smart as i am and even smarter in ways lol. it's funny because i usually dont think im smart. but i sort of am. I should be doing better things with my life. i have a knack for seeing things people dont. i'm joking but yeah. being cocky isn't good though. if you knew why you'd understand. I'm more just joking.

[freshnthehouse]

Jun 21, 2014 22:47:52 GMT -5 cfoo said:

pierce not the most physically dominant player. probably the most durable player ever.

I wonder if there is a stat that attempts to quantify the most durable player ever? Fewest games missed in a career 15+ seasons long? Something like that. Malone and Stockton would be tough to stop. Stockton played every game in 17 of his 19 seasons. And in one of those two seasons he only missed 4 games. That is nuts. And Malone never missed more than 2 games in a season during his first 18 seasons. That is also nuts. Wilt was remarkably durable for the beating he took in the paint most nights.

[cfoo]

I was just looking at chamberlains career stats. Way before my time but both he and Russell were pretty similar. Chamberlain was dominant for 11 or 12 years Played 12 games in his 12th year then his numbers dropped for th enext 2 years then he retired. Russell played 12 years. Chamberlain 14.

Chamberlain was actually more durable than Russell. He came in at 24 years old. Play ed until he was almost 40. Even KG hit a wall around mid 30's. Duncan keeps going for whatever reason. Chamberlain was really durable too.

chamberlain is actually more similar to Duncan that way. Russell and KG are pretty similar. Solid frames. Russell and KG were pretty skinny. Duncan and Chamberlain just seem to have thicker frames to me. Better healthcare now too but if you look at it not sure it makes a difference. Like you said guys like that really took a pounding back then too.

[cfoo]

Shaq was a big guy too and lasted a while.

[cfoo]

Embiid is one of those guys where it may come down to holding y our breath and just hoping for the best. Seeing Oden go down. Yao etc. It may just come down to a guess and hoping for the best. There's no way to tell for sure. Big men are gambles in ways though but so is every player you take at this point. EArly on and the draft is where you want to gamble a bit. But interesting the Celtics had oden and Durant and would have taken Durant. Smart move there.

Drafting a big man I al ways feel is a gamble though. Could pay off big.

That can be said about any position really. Guys like Mcgrady and Vinsanity super talented guys that never lived up to the hype. I dont know if Vince is injuries or a heart thing though. I always feel like drafting a big is more of a gamble in ways though. Especially now that embiid has 2 pretty major injuries.

Still think Embiid is probably worth it. Might prefer Vonleh over him though. Embiid vs Smart or Gordon is interesting. I don't think our situation necessarily got better. Potentially maybe? Still would prefer Love over both of them.

[Roadrunner]

Jun 22, 2014 12:31:57 GMT -5 cfoo said:

Embiid is one of those guys where it may come down to holding y our breath and just hoping for the best. Seeing Oden go down. Yao etc. It may just come down to a guess and hoping for the best. There's no way to tell for sure. Big men are gambles in ways though but so is every player you take at this point. EArly on and the draft is where you want to gamble a bit. But interesting the Celtics had oden and Durant and would have taken Durant. Smart move there.

Drafting a big man I al ways feel is a gamble though. Could pay off big.

That can be said about any position really. Guys like Mcgrady and Vinsanity super talented guys that never lived up to the hype. I dont know if Vince is injuries or a heart thing though. I always feel like drafting a big is more of a gamble in ways though. Especially now that embiid has 2 pretty major injuries.

Still think Embiid is probably worth it. Might prefer Vonleh over him though. Embiid vs Smart or Gordon is interesting. I don't think our situation necessarily got better. Potentially maybe? Still would prefer Love over both of them.

Oden at least made it through 1-year in college. Embiid quit due to injury.

[eja117]

One thing I'm very concerned with in Embiid is why this foot thing happened. If there is a reason I'm better off with it. If it's clear he was just pushing hard to get back to be drafted #1 then fine. But if it happened for no real reason? That's horrifying. Realistically though if he misses almost all year I'm fine with that. His back totally clears up and his foot totally clears up. Tank again. The difference between an Aaron Gordon and an Embiid could be severe. It could be the difference between HOF and no all star games. Especially if we trade Rondo and get Isaiah Thomas and McLemore and #8. Because then you get Gordon anyway.

Suddenly you are looking a year from now at something like

Isaiah T, Bradley
McLemore, Bradley
Sully, 17th pick- Maybe Nurkick or Payne?
Jeff Green in final year, A Gordon
Embiid, KO

Then you get to add our pick and the Clips pick to that. That's not bad.