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Post by derrenattheoffice on Jun 19, 2014 20:04:34 GMT -5
If organizations are scared off of Embiid because of his various injuries, they may pass on him, and Embiid may slide down to us.
Cleveland may just go after Jabari Parker
Milwaukee would probably take Andrew Wiggins
Philly I guess would then take Dante Exum, being that head coach Brett Brown coached extensively in Australia, and Exum is from Australia
Orlando, I can see taking Marcus Smart if Exum is gone
Utah may go after Embiid, but they already have a young frontcourt (Kanter, Favors, Gobert)
If Embiid gets passed Utah, and we are on the clock with the Commissioner waiting for our pick, would you take Embiid, fractured bone in his back and foot?
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Post by eja117 on Jun 19, 2014 20:57:32 GMT -5
I think you look at the back and ask yourself if it's healing right (I'm pretty sure it is. Emeka had the same thing and was fine. Embiid has also had some very nice workouts since the back thing), then you look at the foot. How broken are we talking? Nice clean break? Will heal fine? I'm ok with that. Then you look at the player you aren't drafting. Aaron Gordon? Do you feel Aaron can defend very very well? Do you think he can shoot well soon enough? Can he be a multi time all star? Can Ebiid? You add up these questions and pull the trigger. If you pick him you keep him out for almost the whole year and "tank" again. You bring him along VERY slowly. But the fact it's not his knee means to me this is at least potentially very different from Oden or Pervis Ellison or even Nerlens Noel. I think this may be more akin to Anthony Bennet. Because of the arm conditioning became a huge issue, especially because they played him out of position so much at sf because they had Tristan Thompson. That was just a foolish thing.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 19, 2014 20:59:40 GMT -5
Although I am not a big fan of injuries. I really dislike them. Injuries this early in the game really are a no-no to me. But Sully also slipped similarly and I think this may be a lot like that. If that's the case we probably need to pounce. You don't get a chance like this too often. Personally I don't think he falls all that far. I don't really see Philly passing up a shot at Nerlens and Embiid together with MCW if they miss out on Parker and Wiggins.
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Post by cfoo on Jun 19, 2014 21:10:48 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think the injuries matter that much at this point. They definitely don't help but that's onething about red flags during the draft is it's almost safer if you can evaluate them with your medical staff. Sully was evaluated and the Celtics knew he would need surgery and they knew what they were up against. Oden on the other hand had no red flag and was a pile of poo once he got to the nba. That said I don't really see us taking Embiid. He's a very good player but he is somewhat overhyped imo. I think he ends up going to philly like eja said or a team like milwaulkee and Cleveland may still take him too.
IF we go the draft route I would consider him at 6 if he is going to be there along with the guys we've already been pretty much. He would fall into that group to be considered.
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Post by cfoo on Jun 19, 2014 21:44:33 GMT -5
my opinion of embiid is that he doesn't jump ahead of Gordon or smart or vonleh though overly. He's not good enough for that. never was really. The injuries don't make me feel any better about him either. He's more proving me right that he was an injury risk in the first place.
His upside is that of a guy like Hibbert anyways. He isn't Hakeem like he was being hyped. He could be but I don't think I ever saw him that way. He's a 7 footer who was rated down the draft and rose up the draft boards because he was the lone center in this draft. He's 7 feet. Players like this get rated high and are risks in ways.
He's more Robert parish potentially with injury concerns then Hakeem or Duncan.
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Post by nateval on Jun 20, 2014 7:12:34 GMT -5
Then you look at the player you aren't drafting. Aaron Gordon? Do you feel Aaron can defend very very well? Do you think he can shoot well soon enough? Can he be a multi time all star? Can Ebiid? EJ do you think Gordon can "shoot well soon enough"? I guess I just dont understand the reasoning why people think that Gordon is going to all of a sudden learn to shoot. I see the .422% FT stats from last year and that scares the !!!GREENIAC!!! out of me. Instantly Gordon comes to the Celtics and is the worst FT shooter in the LEAGUE. If it's your center and he is dominate you try to live with it but as your SF it's unacceptable. I know he is reportedly a hard worker if that's the case how has the shot not get better? How will you ever trust him at the end of games? I'm not sold yet that Gordon is a PF I see him more as a SF. A SF who can't shoot and is very good defensively becomes a defensive specialist not the type of guy I want at 6. People always refer to Gordons 3 point % but it's deceiving. He shot .356% but was really only 16-45 and a good chunk of the 45 attempts teams dared him to shoot. I need my SF to be able to shoot. |
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Post by nateval on Jun 20, 2014 7:31:35 GMT -5
His upside is that of a guy like Hibbert anyways. He isn't Hakeem like he was being hyped. He could be but I don't think I ever saw him that way. He's a 7 footer who was rated down the draft and rose up the draft boards because he was the lone center in this draft. He's 7 feet. Players like this get rated high and are risks in ways. I disagree CF I think Embiid is going to be the real deal. The kid has been playing basketball for something like 4 years he's not perfect but I see ELITE talent. I also like the fact he was a very good volleyball player before he started basketball his timing to block shots is already there. IMO he is not "over hyped" and I still say that this is a great draft class. There will be multiple all stars and multiple great players |
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Post by cfoo on Jun 20, 2014 10:03:35 GMT -5
SO you are saying he is hakeem olajuwan and will be one of the top centers of all time? I don't see that with him. I think he is more a player on roy hibbert's level and can be one of the better centers in the league if he stays healthy . He could be Robert parish. I don't see Hakeem Olajuwan or a guy like Tim Duncan with him though.
There are some really good players in this draft but I will be surprised if a guy like tim Duncan or someone on that level is found.
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Post by nateval on Jun 20, 2014 10:12:05 GMT -5
I'm saying I expect Embiid to be better then Hibbert. Embiid has the talent to be special
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Post by cfoo on Jun 20, 2014 10:15:22 GMT -5
I watched highlights of him and some of his skills jump out at me. Particularly on defense at times. Special yes but he is a risk in ways too. I was just saying he doesn't jump way ahead of guys that we are already looking at at 6 though. He would be considered and we could take him. I'd be fine with that, but I don't think it's a no brainer that we do. We do need a center and I want us to get one though.
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Post by nateval on Jun 20, 2014 10:15:25 GMT -5
He's not good enough for that. never was really. The injuries don't make me feel any better about him either. He's more proving me right that he was an injury risk in the first place. His upside is that of a guy like Hibbert anyways. He isn't Hakeem like he was being hyped. He could be but I don't think I ever saw him that way. He's a 7 footer who was rated down the draft and rose up the draft boards because he was the lone center in this draft. He's 7 feet. Players like this get rated high and are risks in ways.. I don't think he is rated high because he is the only center I think he's high because he has talent |
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Post by cfoo on Jun 20, 2014 10:17:03 GMT -5
right but you took out the first part and took what I said out of context. I was just saying he would become a guy we would consider at 6 but he doesn't jump way ahead of the guys we were already considering.
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Post by cfoo on Jun 20, 2014 10:21:08 GMT -5
Embiid was rated lower in the draft orinally and rose up draft boards because he is a center. I think he was being somewhat overhyped and thought he was somewhat overhyped as the #1 pick and as a player like olajuwan. At 6 is about right actually and he fits in with those guys anyways. he's a center which gives him more value but his injuries make him a bit of a risk.
I still tend to think he will go higher than 6 but who knows. anything Is possible there.
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Post by cfoo on Jun 20, 2014 10:24:36 GMT -5
anyways difficult to explain what I was saying in ways. I remember saying a while back that I like embiid because I do. I had him spotted way back but was like as the #1 pick? I don't know. Just thinking a bit critically is all. I think he is overhyped somewhat as a tim duncan guy or olajuwan. He could be that but he is a risk. I more see his upside of that of a guy of parish or hibbert anyways. he could be olajuwan though. but I think that is a bit of a stretch right now.
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Post by nateval on Jun 20, 2014 10:25:26 GMT -5
Embiid rose up draft boards because he developed faster then anyone could have imagined this season. If the Celtics had the first pick I would want them to select Embiid. Different options about his talent
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