If Exum slides

[cfoo]

How good do you think he can be? I'm not sure I see Kobe Bryant there but would be nice to get a scorer like that. We could use a player like this. I'm hoping Orlando takes Smart in ways because Exum would probably be a better fit at least talent wise. He just seems like a nice kid though and I'm not sure i see him reaching kobe's level.

[cfoo]

He also fits that mold if we want to build like San Antonio. His personality is remiscent of Timmy, Parker, Ginobli etc... The issue is he is a pg and wants to play pg. I don't understand this, I havent seen enough of him but i look at him and he looks like a sg or a ginobli type of player or kobe.

If he is like penny hardaway is that the kind of pg we want? I love penny hardaway but definately a different style of point guard.

Exum could be our guy. I woke up this morning with this in my head and celticsblog is apparently thinking the same thing. The process continues. Orlando may take Smart or we could do a swap too if we really like Exum. Is he the guy we want though?

He sounds like Tim Duncan when he speaks. He's from the same area I think. Probably has the same mindset as well although he's super fast. . I've always wanted to find the tom brady of pg's. Rondo is that in ways but have always struggled determining if he is brady or peyton manning. Getting the tim duncan of pgs isn't a bad thing and definately something to consider.

[cfoo]

I guess the question is Rondo, Exum or Smart? Which pg do you take? Can we pair one of these guys with Rondo? A lot of questions if we take a guy like this.

[eja117]

I think if our guard rotation was Rondo, Exum, and Bradley that would be a heck of a group of guards.
Then we could use the 17th on something up front.

pg Rondo, Exum
sg Bradley, Exum
sf jeff Green, Kyle Anderson or James Young
pf Sully, Jeff Green, KO
C KO, Fav, C Iverson

That to me is a team with a lot of ability for the future. I definitely think there is talent to be had in future drafts at places of need.

But if we go the other way I have no problem with this either and it might be better

pg Rondo, Bradley or Bayless
sg Bradley, James Young or McD
sf Jeff Green, James Young or McD
pf Sully, KO
c Vonleh, KO

I also have no prob with something like this

Pg Rondo, LaVine
sg Bradley, LaVine
sf J Green, Gerald Wallace
pf Sully, KO
c Vonleh, KO


I am hopeful that in all these cases we get a big dose of defense and athleticism, and urgency. That's what KO brought last year....urgency.

[eja117]

I think if Exum slides to 6 on draft night there are a couple reasons we probably take him

1....at that spot he might be the best player

2...it would mean by draft night we haven't landed Love

3...if we haven't landed Love than we have a 29ish year old Rondo on a one year deal who wants to get paid next year. That would mean having to trade him and if you do you are going to want a good young pg. You are not going to want Lin or Brandon Jennings.

4. Exum is still a very valuable piece either to trade or keep if we keep Rondo. Having Penny Hardaway and Rondo on the same team could be pretty good. Put that with Sully and Ko and the 17th pick and a good defender like Bradley, and I still think you have a very good team in the making.

5. In this copycat league the Big 3 model may be done now in favor of a swing back to the very well coached TEAM oriented teams of the Spurs and Pistons. You need good players and team oriented guys for that and Exum is like that. Plus with the additions of maybe MORE youth in all our future draft picks we could be looking at that kind of scenario

[cfoo]

I like that eja. Kyle Anderson is a jack of all trades of sorts without the athletism like jeff green. With Rondo, Exum and Bradley at the guard spots and our assortment of bigs that would be an exciting team with a lot of options going forward.

[cfoo]

Exum and a guy like Kyle Anderson or James Young would be an excellent draft imo. Sort of thinking like texas in ways. There's always been a connection between us and those texas teams. Polar opposites in ways but do things similarly.

I agree Exum is a valuable piece. He may be the best player we can take. Vonleh and Smart are up there too though. So is Gordon for that matter. Might fit us more but I don't know. Exum might be a guy we don't want to pass on.

We are in that range where we can potentially get him.

[cfoo]

With Orlando and Utah there is some leeway as far as Vonleh and Smart I think. They might take those guys or be willing to swap as well.

[cfoo]

If history teaches me anything Exum would go to orlando. Utah would take Vonleh, Gordon or Randle and we'd be left choosing between what's left and Smart. Id like Vonleh probably out of all those guys but none of these guys overly excite me. Gordon is a good player. He could be a shawn marion type. Smart is going to be a very good pg and probably a dennis johnson clone. Vonleh and Exum probably have more upside. Vonleh is very young.

Or we trade down and get a guy like Mcdermott. Or the lakers take a guy like that. That would be somewhat disapointing to me though. if he's larry legend great but i don't think he is. Should be a solid roleplayer and m ight even be good in Stevens system. I still hope he goes to the lakers though in ways.

There is no fix all this draft and whoever we draft is going to complicate things somewhat change our destiny in ways.

[eja117]

If you are Orlando I think either Smart or Exum makes a lot of sense to go with Oladipo and then Jameer Nelson ( I think he's like 31 or something) can fade nicely into the sunset as a valuable backup vet.

If you are Utah and you draft Vonleh it means essentially you are giving up on Enes Kanter as an NBA starter/all star (probably a good idea) and it may also mean they don't see Gobert as more than a backup either (I agree) and if they draft Exum or Smart it means they are concerned with Trey and Gordon Hayward. They have Alec Burks. You would think they would feel in pretty good shape there.

I think Utah has one of the most intriguing scenarios and if I were them I may very well be trying to trade down to like 8. They're big issue is at sf where they have Richard Jefferson who I think is 52 years old, but on peds it's more like 35. I don't think Gordon can play there. They have Marvin Williams that they largely start at pf. So essentially they have really terrible forwards.

I may even try to drop down to 6 if I were them. If they could get 6 and 17 from us for 5 and various 2nd rounders and a future lotto protected pick they may want to do that. I think if you're Danny you're like "top 10 protected and we have a deal". It would be good for us because you're only dropping down one spot and you're getting a future pick that's probably higher than 17 and you'd get 2nd rounders. It would stretch out the rebuild, but it gets us closer to what we want, gives us a better pick to send for Love, saves us some money at the moment....

[eja117]

Jun 17, 2014 10:42:53 GMT -5 cfoo said:

If history teaches me anything Exum would go to orlando. Utah would take Vonleh, Gordon or Randle and we'd be left choosing between what's left and Smart. Id like Vonleh probably out of all those guys but none of these guys overly excite me. Gordon is a good player. He could be a shawn marion type. Smart is going to be a very good pg and probably a dennis johnson clone. Vonleh and Exum probably have more upside. Vonleh is very young.

Or we trade down and get a guy like Mcdermott. Or the lakers take a guy like that. That would be somewhat disapointing to me though. if he's larry legend great but i don't think he is. Should be a solid roleplayer and m ight even be good in Stevens system. I still hope he goes to the lakers though in ways.

There is no fix all this draft and whoever we draft is going to complicate things somewhat change our destiny in ways.

To me Gordon is one of the most athletic players you could possibly ask for and I want him. To me the only way I don't take him is if maybe Exum or Embiid is there, if they think Randle is more special or if they think Vonleh can be a DPOY or something.

If Vonleh can get 13 rebs a game with 3 blocks and gets like 8 ppg on good shooting I'm fine with that because the 17th pick can add offense and so can KO. There's enough offense around. I don't need Randle splitting minutes with Sully or making the center position undersized. Two Al Horfords is just not a good situation to me. Elton Brand and Al Horford is not a good situation to me.

[cfoo]

Exum and Vonleh are two guys i think you could build with. We have that with Rondo in ways right now. Gordon i think is more a guy like Shawn Marion and a step below Rondo's level. I also think Marcus Smart is a really good pg but he's not that different from Rondo. He's younger and more of a leader maybe. I think rondo is that too he's just older and not as amiable with his personality.

none of these are jordan or kobe but there are some building blocks.

Trading for kevin love is still an option to me. Tanguay was talkng last night and he still thinks rondo is gone and that rondo was just stirring hte pot w ith Kevin Love, but I dont know how anyone can say that with any certainty right now. He had a guy from sports illustrated on there with him and they both think this. I dont know how anyone being paid to analyze this stuff can say that with certainty right now either.

[cfoo]

Gordon's shot is going to be fine and there isn't one guy i can say is the perfect fit or what we need though. Gordon is athletic. Randle i s a really good offensive player and pf. He has injury concerns and we have sully but Gordon is kind of the same thing although better defense and can play SF. Randle and Sully are both pf's. randle is purely a pf where sully can slide to center.

I think taking Randle with his injury issues and when we have sully and KO is kind of a weird pick that makes little sense to me.

[cfoo]

If anyone drops down this draft and its very possible it could be randle if utah doesnt take him or us or the lakers. The lakers might. Someone is going to slide because you have exum, smart, randle, vonleh, gordon and it's orlando, utah, us and the lakers. we can trade down and still get one of those guys. mcdermott is there too. someone might take harris etc. some of these guys may slide into the teens.

we have our pick of who we want but there isn't a huge difference if we are picking 6th or 10th really. we are in a good spot to get who we want though. we are right where we want to be imo. we can move up or down or out completely and pretty much get who we want.

[derrenattheoffice]

Exum's jump shot is what will determine if he'll be a star or not. With a jumper, he's like Anfernee Hardaway. Without one, he's only a quick, athletic kid who beats you off the dribble.