Our 18th pick (from Brooklyn)

[derrenattheoffice]

In addition to getting a high lottery pick (top 7), we'll also be picking at 18.  Historically, there have been good players picked at 18 and beyond, so we should carefully research some of the players who may be picked in that area.

Right now, lots of people are hoping Nik Stauskas will be there.  I like the kid too.  But maybe Kyle Anderson will be there.  Maybe Willie Cauley-Stein, or Montrezl Harrell, TJ Warren, Cleanthony Early, Elfrid Payton, James Young, the Harrison twins, etc.

[nateval]

If Stauskas or Anderson are there when we pick I would be happy, Young may end up being a really good pro too. I'm not a fan of Cauley-Stein I would be disappointed if we picked him. Luckily the Celtics need help at almost every position. PF IMO is the only position that we don't need help at, you can make a case drafting a PG of the future would be a good move.

I still love this draft class and think it's one of the best in recent memory. Embiid, Parker and Wiggins all could end up being special. Smart would have been probably been #1 last season, some people believe Randle could end up being a multiple all star Exum is an unknown for the most part but those who have seen him closely think he could be an all star player. Plying time next year will be wide open if we dont trade for veterans. The players we choose will have the potential to play big minutes right from the get go. I'm high on this draft, I think some guys taken after 18 will turn out to be good pros as well as some second round picks turning out to be good players too.

Question for you guys on this "overrated" draft class is can someone tell me the last class that was better? In regards to the top 3 special freshman that are "over hyped" can someone name the last top pick that turned his team around and carried them deep into the playoffs? If we get a top pick I hope fans have realistic expectations for them coming in. One of the GOAT Lebron James didn't bring his team to the playoffs his rookie season we cant expect someone to come in and lead us deep into the playoffs. Rebuilding through the draft is a process if we choose that path I believe it will be at least 3 seasons before we are a real contender for a championship.

[cfoo]

I think it depends on Rondo or if we are counting on these guys to carry us. I think this is where tommy is right about rondo that he needs to make his current teammates better. We draft a young player it's just an added dimension. As they develop they will become more that but for now Rondo has to be the guy who makes the players around him better.

This is where I disagree with Derren in ways and probably always will. I think most fans expect to just put players on the court or on paper and the Celtics have always done things differently. If we become that way we just become like any other team. I hope that never happens. I think Tommy is absolutely right that what gives the Celtics an advantage is they have something that goes deeper than that with how they play as a team and their style of play. Whether players and young kids today even understand that is an issue for sure. But if they don't they need to.

[DERRENMATTS]

It's overrated when you compare to what was being said a year ago (not to be confused with overrating compared to other draft classes).

We were talking numerous superstars coming out of this draft. While All-Stars may come out, superstar is maybe a reach (though possible).

[cfoo]

I think when DA says the draft is overrated is I think a lot of fans are expecting the Celtics to be banking everything on this draft and they aren't. It's the same with him backing green and comparing him to pierce. Most fans think green sucks and just want to dump him at the drop of a hat and then think dA is insulting their intelligence when they don't even attempt to see what the Celtics are doing or respect DA who might know a thing or two about basketball.

It's a very good draft. DA is downplaying it somewhat but it is completely overhyped by the media for sure. Try being in DA's shoes sometime and having the media critiquing everything you do when they aren't in there and don't even realize they don't have the experience or job that DA does. I don't want to say some people are petty but they are and don't realize it. Most people don't even attempt to see what DA is trying to do and that he has years of experience that they don't. Ainge has said in the past he agonizes over most of the stuff he does. Most people don't think that deeply about what they say. They aren't in his position. They are trying to sell something.

[cfoo]

IF DA were to be like the average fan and bank everything on this draft he would be a very bad GM. He has an entire team to manage.

[cfoo]

I'm not sure who I like with this pick though. I like STein somewhat so far. But haven't looked at it too much myself. I wouldn't be surprised if we make some trades though and this p ick is not the same when the draft actually happens. It depends on who we take with our first pick as well.

i'm not as fond of this draft later on. I think it's a strong draft 1-10 but is not that strong later or deep. we might be able to find someone though. montrezl Harrell is a good player and roleplayer but most of these guys are. James young etc. These are roleplayers. Solid ones potentially but not sure how they fit us.

we have guys like already in Humphries and bass although we may be looking for a replacement there. Harrell is a decent bet. I just don't know on guys like this though. i'm not sure he is that good. He is sort of like green from Michigan state who is a good roleplayer big guard forward type. I just am not sure how high on him I am or if he even fits.

seems like one of those typical bulls big guard type players.

[nateval]

Apr 12, 2014 13:28:48 GMT -5 DERRENMATTS said:

It's overrated when you compare to what was being said a year ago (not to be confused with overrating compared to other draft classes).

We were talking numerous superstars coming out of this draft. While All-Stars may come out, superstar is maybe a reach (though possible).

So who was the last guaranteed superstar to come out of the draft? I would say Lebron and only Lebron. If Carmelo was a guaranteed superstar Darko would not have been picked before him. Can the big 3 in this draft become superstars? I say they have a good shot. Will it they be a superstar when they play their first NBA game? No way! If this class is over hyped then I would like to know what peoples expectations where for these kids their first year.

[cfoo]

Durant. There is no player on Durants level or Lebron. Ainge has basically said that. I see Wiggins like Tyler Sequin. hockey reference and different but I think he will be similar in that it takes him a bit. This draft reminds me of that hockey draft when sequin and taylor hall were 1 and 2 though.

[cfoo]

I don't even think these guys are on blake griffins level as far as immediate impact. or the pierce draft. or Duncan. these players these days are so young. we may even trade them eventually like the rbuins did with sequin. I kind of doubt that but it's possible. young players these days have issues though. they don't listen to danny ainge. or people who know what they are talking about for that matter.

pierce went through growing pains but had a maturity and drive to him that not many players do. he was still a celtic.

[cfoo]

I think wiggins and parker have that potential. They are not Durant though. They have that potential. I think wiggins could be a superstar but its more based on potential than Durant or Duncan was. Wiggins maturity level is not on those guys level. He's more like a blue chip prospect in baseball than anything.

I think wiggins could come in and make an impact though. But it's going to take a bit. If we are relying on him as the guy year 1 I would be surprised. This is why rondo and green are still important to us. Unfortunately the way the league is the Celtics might not be able to have their cake and eat it to. But most fans that want to trade rondo aren't thinking in the Celtics best interests.

rondo is hearing this and that and hearing he isn't going to be this or that and players can leave. that's not overly good for the Celtics though.

[cfoo]

If we lose rondo and have to bank everything on a 20 year old kid and give a player that power to hold us hostage we become like the cavs and the LeBron situation all over again. It's important for the Celtics to build a team and sell a team concept. That player could become Michael Jordan but the way free agency is set up that would not be in the Celtics best interest.

It's important that either rondo buys into what we are doing and we resign him or we trade him for optimal dollar and get players in return. plan A is still to get rondo to buy into what we are doing.

most fans are stupid though and don't think that way and deserve to have their intelligence insulted because they don't give a crap about the Celtics and are just out for themselves. They don't think that deeply about how their actions effect other people. Most people are inherently selfish twats. i'm joking but there is truth to that.

If rondo isn't going to buy in he is going to have to be traded but that's not what the Celtics want. i'm hoping rondo comes to his senses. he seems like he is. we love you rondo.

[nateval]

IMO if we keep Rondo and bank on him signing with us (though our captain said he will test free agency)I still don't think this is a championship team. Adding a couple of rookies doesn't mean we will be a favorite to win the east. If we trade Rondo it's not like we aren't going to get some nice pieces for him. Maybe we get a young player and draft picks I'd be ok with that, we have some nice Brooklyn picks in the future too I'm OK with being patient and building from the ground up.

Would you guys give up Sully and our two first rounder picks this year for Love? I wouldn't IMO adding another max player to our team like Love and paying a lot of money to Rondo doesn't make us a championship team. I hope DA builds through the draft

[cfoo]

we ultimately want players who are going to have talent and play hard for us. I think having chemistry is important. I think the object is to not drive Rondo away. I want to build through the draft too but you still need that framework in place and chemistry aspect of it all. Rondo to me is still a special player and a special case.

[Roadrunner]

Apr 12, 2014 14:29:17 GMT -5 nateval said:

IMO if we keep Rondo and bank on him signing with us (though our captain said he will test free agency)I still don't think this is a championship team. Adding a couple of rookies doesn't mean we will be a favorite to win the east. If we trade Rondo it's not like we aren't going to get some nice pieces for him. Maybe we get a young player and draft picks I'd be ok with that, we have some nice Brooklyn picks in the future too I'm OK with being patient and building from the ground up.

Would you guys give up Sully and our two first rounder picks this year for Love? I wouldn't IMO adding another max player to our team like Love and paying a lot of money to Rondo doesn't make us a championship team. I hope DA builds through the draft

BOS needs another star player to compete w/ the MIAs, and OKCs. MIA, and OKC each have a very highly efficient scorer, which is compounded in the playoffs due to players playing longer, and reserves playing shorter.