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Post by mrbeefy316 on Aug 29, 2005 21:51:30 GMT -5
i would say as of right now Jefferson because i have seen him play and he is the real deal. He has some incredible moves for someone his age. His footwork is amazing and so are his hands. In a few years he is going to dominate the paint for the celtics. I have to see Green play a little more before i can put him ahead of Jefferson but i am still very excited about drafting someone so talented with the 18th pick .
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Post by Celtic17 on Aug 29, 2005 22:16:59 GMT -5
MrB - I think we all are...  |
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 30, 2005 0:59:47 GMT -5
I think its obvious when you see Green's game, that his potential is far greater than Darius Miles'. Even their body language and the look on their faces is world's apart. You can tell Green is more aggressive and more willing to stick it to you than Darius. Rather than being compared to Tracy McGrady, I think that Green is more similar to Ray Allen. Both have a quick first step, both have slippery athleticism, both are quick to the hole, and both have smooth shooting strokes. The reason why I see more of Ray Allen, and not McGrady, is because T-Mac slows the tempo down with his offense. Ray Allen is always on the move. You sorta have the same ideas as me. I said he has a chance to be like a Reggie Lewis only with freak athleticism and more quickness. At the very worst, probably Darius with more energy and little attitude. I'm going with my instincts and by what I've seen so far ! I'll go out on the Limb, and say that GREEN, will be the meanest basketball machine! One thing that I notice he has right now as a youngster is - "NO FEAR"! He somehow reminds me of Bird and Jordan when I first saw their games. This Kid looks like he will fear NO one and that he does possess a "killer instinct". That is something you can not teach ! THe sky is the limit. It is rare to see such a young player who has a monster DUNK and a SWEET JUMPER ! Most kids who possess that kind of dunking ability - do not develop a good "J" that early in their career. He has so, so much to build on and most of all, the right "Mentality". I say that the Grass is "GREENer"! If all that is the case, he could be better than Lebron. Lebron doesn't have that good of a jumpshot. Green is as athletic as Lebron only more like Rip Hamilton or a guy who moves around a lot. Reggie Lewis when he was alive?? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 30, 2005 3:01:35 GMT -5
No, Lebron is in a class of his own. As highly as I think of Green's potential, I would not be silly enough to imagine Gerald Green reaching Lebron's level.
BleedGreen, I see that we are seeing the same things in Green. He seems to want to prove others wrong for doubting him. He doesn't seem to show any fear. And like I pointed out, this is also a characteristic that Jefferson has too.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Aug 30, 2005 3:04:04 GMT -5
it's amazing how similar jefferson and green seem to be. well, jefferson was last year. tremendous upside, good work ethic, something to prove etc.
all in our favor...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 30, 2005 3:17:19 GMT -5
Yeah, both young guys just don't seem to be phased. In a lot of ways, they seem naive', in a good way. Both guys are naturally very athletic and both seem to have a lot of natural instincts. They both have very high ceilings and seem capable of reaching their ceilings if they work hard enough. Jefferson sounds like the type of guy who'll put in the time and effort to really make something of himself.
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Post by Jambr380 on Aug 30, 2005 20:13:50 GMT -5
Green seems to have more potential, IMO. His athleticism, shot, and attitude are through the roof, and if all of that can be harnassed in the right direction, he could seriously be on of the best (better) players in the game. AJ is a great prospect and will make a very good nba basketball player, but unless he gets a little more athletic, then he will never be GREAT. I am in no way saying that Green will be better than AJ- time will only tell there, but at a pure potential standpoint, it is really no question that Green is the man.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 31, 2005 2:08:14 GMT -5
Exactly. That's why I started this poll. I was watching the high shcool dunk contest and the All-Star game again, and I'm just blown away by how athletic and fearless Green is. And as I was watching him, I wondered if his ceiling could be higher than Jefferson's.
I think Gerald Green has a bit more of a mean streak than Al Jefferson, which is why I sense that he may go further than Big Al. If Jefferson looked to dunk the ball hard at every opportinity possible (like Amare), he'd have the upper hand. He already has a lot of athleticism, quickness, and touch for a 6'10" PF. But if he could get meaner, he'd be too much to handle. At this point, he's more about finess--which is fine. But I'd like to see some ferocious attitude coming from Jefferson.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Aug 31, 2005 3:20:58 GMT -5
jefferson's game will be better than amare's because he has things going on for him. amarwe dunks and dunks and dunkd.big al has various more post moves. and last time i checked tim duncan did more than dunk as well.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 31, 2005 3:44:34 GMT -5
I've been able to catch a lot of Phoenix games this past season (they may be one of my favorite teams outside of Boston). Let me tell you that Amare is more than just a dunker. He's got some moves going to the basket and he can also shoot the ball pretty well for a player with his size and strength. And he's an incredible player near the rim. Amare is a legitimate big time scorer.
But I think his mean streak amplifies his game. Because he's so aggressive getting to the basket, and because he's got a strong body, he's able to convert a lot of tough shots that weaker players may not be able to.
I feel that Jefferson can be a better rebounder because he's got the knack for getting his hands on loose balls. Stoudemire has not averaged more than 9 rpg in his career yet. I think Jefferson will be able to average double digits with 30 minutes per game. Amare averaged 26 ppg last year, shooting 55% from the field and getting to the line nearly 10 times a game (and making 73% of his free throws). I'd be ecstatic if Jefferson can reach his level as a scorer, which isn't far fetched at all. Jefferson is a natural player in the post and he's able to score in many different ways. As long as he can get his arms up in the air, he's got a good chance of putting the ball through the hoop.
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Post by bleedgreen on Aug 31, 2005 8:57:26 GMT -5
Even though I say that GREEN, will be the superstar, I would not say it is because he is more Athletic but because of that dominating, mean and killer instinct ! Remember the great low post player, Kevin Mchale. He was slow, awkward, methodical but probably one of the greatest in the low post - he had "attitude".
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 31, 2005 10:01:17 GMT -5
Right. I also think its his fearlessness and his willingness to prove himself to doubters that gives him an advantage over Jefferson. But I do factor in his athleticism, because it is just so fascinating. This is not to take anything away from Jefferson. I still hold him highly, and regard him as a player with a very bright future. But Gerald Green seems to have more of the "it" factor.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 31, 2005 15:15:32 GMT -5
Right now I say Al J has more potential cause he showed it, If they had both been the high school seniors in the same draft I would have said GG cause he looked like superman athletically while AL J looked a little short and pudgy. Just cause GG ends up in the NBDL for a while means nothing cause the league needs good big men more and AL J couldn't go to the NBDL his rookie year anyway
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 31, 2005 22:05:12 GMT -5
Our team can be a future dynasty. I see that. Boston just needs 1 top 5 lottery pick added onto this ballclub and we're pretty much set. Hopefully that comes next year with one of our picks being the lakers, cavs or ours and could even be picks that are right outside the lottery or 1 in it but in the low end but like the saying goes "2 out of 3 aint bad" meaning the hawks pick is the lowest pick and 1 of those picks will probably be in the 20 area (cavs) that will go to the hawks so definitely not bad.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Sept 1, 2005 1:40:17 GMT -5
This year's top pick could be Tiago Splitter. Not sure if he's the player who'll put us over the top. But I know what you mean, Meltin. Seems like Ainge is set on going with a PG who doesn't dictate the offense too much. With his acquisition of Dickau, along with his obvious favor toward Delonte, its becoming clearer that he likes PG's who works within the offense, and not direct it (like Kidd, Nash, etc.).
So the other position where we can hopefully add a stud player at is at Center. A guy who is better than Raef and Perkins would be tremendously advantageous.
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