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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 24, 2005 20:14:33 GMT -5
Eja, you got yourself a little exhaltation with one of your earlier posts. The one were you said there have been a lot of players who werent good in their first four years, and most of them dont become become steve nash. My thoughts exactly. It could happen, but I dont see it. It would be awesome, though.
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Post by Celtic17 on Aug 24, 2005 20:23:33 GMT -5
I can see Dickau pushing West to the next level. At least I hope this is the case. The other bonus having DD on the team is insurance if DW goes down with an injury.
I see our roster with West, Dickau and Greene as our PGs.
Banks could be on the way out being on the last year of his contract and the whole IQ issue.
Bynum will be in the NBDL, if he doesn't have another team wanting him on their 14-man roster. In that case DA will cut him loose to have a shot with that team.
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Post by Jambr380 on Aug 24, 2005 21:26:20 GMT -5
If we do in fact lose Banks, at least the acquisiton of Dickau softens that a little. When Delonte proves to be Jiri Welsch #2, at least we have another player who we know isn't an idiot on the court...keeping Banks could help his defense, as well...who better to keep up with?
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 24, 2005 23:30:04 GMT -5
there have been a lot of players who weren't good in their first four years. Most of them weren't Nash. Delonte is the popular choice cause he was drafted with low expectations and exceeded them. Banks was drafted with high expectations and didn't meet them. Dickau has finally had a good year. I think Delonte gets first shot, but they all have about a one third chance Very good point. Banks was in that same category of goodness with Hinrich and Ridnour and now look. Banks compared to them is a bust anyways regardless if he can defend. I bet Salim Stoudamire even becomes a better scorer than Banks and if not, they might be equal seeing Banks could be an undersized sg seeing he doesn't like to play point. Delonte now, he was Jameers sidekick for a college that didnt win much ever and exceeded his expectations. Id pick him anyday over Marcus.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Aug 25, 2005 1:11:35 GMT -5
i rather have banks, i view delonte as a object of hype right now. west was inconsistent, injury-prone, positionless last year. i'm just not convinced he's a good pg in nba. and he's way too short for an efficient sg. iknow, i know he supposedly has a better brain than banks. supposedly is a key word here. banks we all know - he can defend and he's quick. that makes him a very good back-up pg imo. just my 0,02$
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 25, 2005 1:30:39 GMT -5
Delonte may not turn out to be much of a PG. In stating this, I mean in terms of stats. He's not going to be a PG who averages 8 apg or more. That's why I feel like we need to go after a stud PG if we want to win a few titles and become a dynasty. But it also depends on the style of offense we choose to run.
But I also think Delonte can be a serviceable starting PG for us, if we develop our team into a very efficient passing team. Since Mike Bibby was traded to Sacramento in '01, he has never averaged more than 5.4 apg, until last year when he had 6.8 apg. You'd think he'd average a lot more than that seeing how much of an offensive force the Kings are.
Ainge says that Delonte is a Bibby-type player. Maybe he can be, to a lesser extent. Maybe 10 - 12 ppg, 5 - 6 apg.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 25, 2005 1:33:00 GMT -5
Derren, I think it can be possible anyways. But 1 more injury and I wil have doubts on him and move him to the tradable list. Anyways, Danny would know whats best if he got dealt or if he stayed.
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Post by eja117 on Aug 25, 2005 13:42:10 GMT -5
I like brains on the court and I usually take em over talent but at some point give me a break. It's not math class. It's pro athletics. Delonte can sit the bench all day or do poetry on the other end of the court and that's just fine cause Banks will be running down the other side at the speed of light. (I admit Derren is right about it mattering what kind of offense we run since Delonte would be better in half court and Banks better on fast breaks) The smartest guy in the league might be Shaq's backup but we'd never know cause Shaq will be eating up every player in the league while his backup sits the bench.
Ironically the Big Aristotle may be the most educated player in the league now since he has a masters degree. From LSU I think. In criminal justice. Not sure if that's as good as Tim Duncan's degree in physchology from Wake Forest or Shane Battier's degree in religion from Duke
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 25, 2005 16:14:24 GMT -5
But don't forget Eja, that Delonte pushes the ball up the court well too. He's not a guy who walks it up. He may not have blinding speed, but he gets the ball up court by pushing it himself, or by moving the ball ahead of the pack with simple forward passes to open guys running down court.
Its been perceived that the ball moved around the court better when Delonte was on the floor, and I think this is primarily because he's not one to hold onto the ball for too long. He has the ball, he sees an open person, he passes. If his man is playing him tight, he passes. If he has no open shot, he passes. Just like a pitcher who pitches at a quick pace, the infielders and outfielders stay on their toes more and are more alert because their attention is constantly on the next pitch. When Delonte is on the court, he doesn't hold onto the ball. And because the ball is moving, players naturally move in rhythm rather than stay still and wait for the ball to start moving.
But Banks is useful to have because he changes the tempo of the game into overdrive for brief spurts.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 25, 2005 18:51:56 GMT -5
Right Derren. Delonte I saw as pushing the ball up and not walking it up but I just dont see him as fast as Banks. Thats a good way to put it. A player like that is fine too. I felt Payton coulda even done it at 41 years old but chose not to most of the time. It wouldn't have killed him at all. But West, I say he stays overall unless a good offer comes along.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 26, 2005 2:07:56 GMT -5
You guys make Delonte sound like molasses ;D
He's not a pure PG, but he makes the right plays.
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Post by Celtic17 on Aug 26, 2005 12:27:09 GMT -5
You guys make Delonte sound like molasses ;D Molasses in Hawaii - or Iowa in January?
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Post by esco33 on Aug 26, 2005 13:14:29 GMT -5
The jury is still out on West. This will only be his second year, and he only started a few games last year! He played really well in those games too. Even after Payton was traded for Toine, Cedric Maxwell was against Payton coming back because the young guys were playing so well, namely Delonte West.
Unless a trade offer comes along for a really good player, I cannot see Ainge trading West at all. The only thing that he does not do better than Banks, is dribble and he is not as quick. But Delonte can shoot better, pass better, rebound better, play just as good defense, and I think he is more under control on the break (with his passing).
I even believe a couple times last year, Mike and Tommy said that Doc said West was one of their better defenders (guards) along with Banks and Tony Allen. I put Banks & West’s defense as equal. West is SCRAPPY.
Having said that, I do not see him passing Dickau on the depth chart for point guard if we ever sign the guy. I have a good feeling about Dickau and I think he will turn some heads this year. He is no Steve Nash, but he has a good pass first mentality and he can shoot. I really think he will help to run the offense this year, but we shall see.
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Post by Celtic17 on Aug 26, 2005 13:31:00 GMT -5
Esco- I agree with you 100%. I could see West taking over the starting job as the season moves along though. I also agree with Cornbread 100%. We should have never brought Payton back. In fact I wish he had never put on a Celtic uniform in the first place.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 26, 2005 13:54:32 GMT -5
Delonte is a solid PG. I like what he brings to the table. Not a lot of flash, not a lot of unnecessary things. Just pure basketball.
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