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Post by bleedgreen on Aug 12, 2005 15:50:19 GMT -5
I read the the transcript of Ricky's Chat, and all things considered (summer), I believe that Ricky should start. Tony can provide the energy, scoring and spark that Ricky did as 6th man. Now that Antoine is gone and maybe another VET or two also, then wouldn't we need some more leadership in the starting FIVE ?
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 12, 2005 20:42:26 GMT -5
Who knows. I think he stays at 6th man still.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 12, 2005 21:21:26 GMT -5
I think the reason Ricky came off of the bench is becasue he was our only back-up that could create his own shot, besides AlJeff. Thats still one thing that Allen still cant do. I think Davis works good off the bench, but I wouldnt be surpirsed if he was starting next year.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 12, 2005 23:53:31 GMT -5
Well, maybe if Green is playing well, Green can be our bench player. I think Green will get more pt than Perkins and Al Jefferson did as rookies because hes a guard. its different from a big man.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 13, 2005 2:32:43 GMT -5
Since Ricky did so well in that role last year, I'd like to keep him there. He has a desire to be in the starting rotation, but his a valuable 6th man.
But if Tony Allen can provide a spark for us off the bench with his scoring, we can take a gamble and see how successful we are starting Ricky and having Allen come off the bench as a 6th man. Having Ricky start next to Pierce is quite a deadly combination, when they are working in sync with each other. But they must not forget about the team concept and keep sharing the ball.
I like Tony Allen more because he's a better defender and he's a lot better without the ball. I'd prefer him starting. But if starting Ricky works to our advantage, I'm all for it.
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Post by Ossric on Aug 13, 2005 4:00:48 GMT -5
People say that putting Davis in the starting could create a problem because he would demand shots just as much as Pierce. I just think that it would create more space for Pierce IMO. It would spread the defense. Frankly it doesn't really matter alot since Ricky is already playing 35 minutes so they play alongside often enough. Still, it's worth remembering that we were often down 10+ points after 1 quarter. So perhaps using Davis more early wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. We would relieve us from a lot of pressured shots if we wouldn't be down by so much after 12 minutes...
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Post by eja117 on Aug 13, 2005 10:03:55 GMT -5
People say that putting Davis in the starting could create a problem because he would demand shots just as much as Pierce. I just think that it would create more space for Pierce IMO. It would spread the defense. Frankly it doesn't really matter alot since Ricky is already playing 35 minutes so they play alongside often enough. I'm exalting for saying a lot of what i would have said. I think this made the chemistry right for doing that. What might be interesting would be if Ricky started and PP was 6th man. (I guess you can tell as a coach I would play occassional head games) |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 13, 2005 16:46:33 GMT -5
Yes, but Ricky Davis and Paul Pierce are two of our more stronger one on one players. They both have the tendencies to take things into their own hands (force things) if they're not careful. If they are both starting, they must keep the ball moving, or else we'll be a two man team at the start of the game.
But I must stress how important it was for us to have Ricky coming off the bench. He gave us such a boost with his instant scoring. Why would you want to mess with that? We are putting Jefferson into the starting lineup, which could help us with our struggle coming out of the gate strong. With him in there, the energy level will be better, our rebounding in the post will be better, and our interior scoring will be better--all because Mark Blount won't be in the starting lineup. With Jefferson, things will be shaken up. Plus, Delonte could be the starter, and his outside shooting will be a new weapon to use (Payton could not spread the defense with his shooting).
I'd stick with Ricky as our 6th man because it was a niche he filled and he proved to be very valuable there.
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Post by Celtic17 on Aug 13, 2005 23:47:00 GMT -5
I'd stick with Ricky as our 6th man because it was a niche he filled and he proved to be very valuable there. Yep. Let's remember, RD filled in at the point when GP was out of action, when the kids struggled. Often playing tight defense on the other teams PG. I like that kind of flexability in the 6th man role. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 14, 2005 18:17:41 GMT -5
Davis could start, though his presence is better felt coming off of the bench. Fresh' had a great point about Ricky being able to create his own shot. I have to agree. Allen would need to improve his offense, before making the switch-a-roo.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 14, 2005 22:46:58 GMT -5
Allen needs 2 more years of work.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 15, 2005 0:04:49 GMT -5
Keep an eye on Tony Allen's development. His one on one skills haven't been seen yet. He's got the ability to create his own shot and he's better at taking player's off the dribble than Ricky is. Ricky is better at creating space for himself and getting his midrange jumper off. But as for taking it to the rim, Tony is better. In due time, I like his chances of being a more complete player.
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Post by meltinjohn on Aug 15, 2005 22:56:34 GMT -5
Derren, how can our team have 4 of those guys in Pierce, Green, Ricky and Allen? Its like having Green who could be Ricky Davis version 3.0, Pierce who hogs the ball and does enough 1 on 1 and Allen being a better defensive threat than any of those guys in the long run. The wings are just too stacked with similar talent.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Aug 16, 2005 1:10:56 GMT -5
i don't think green gets much playing time this season. he will have a very limited role. i think the team sees him as a successor for pp in several seasons down the road. right now i view green a s a third string sg
sg - davis, allen, green
our sf rotation is pretty set too :
sf - pierce, reed, gomes
gomes and reed will fight for playing time here.
who knows what's gona happen in long run? hopefully they all pan out but chances of it happening are pretty small i guess
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 16, 2005 1:16:56 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, I want the future starting 2 and 3 to be Tony Allen and Gerald Green. I am convinced that Tony Allen is a fantastic player who can create plays out of nothing--even if the play isn't called for him. I just watched the rookie game again and Tony does things out of instincts and aggressiveness that only the better players seem to be able to do. He's got more than enough quickness, more than enough elusiveness, more than enough know how to get his points. And he'll only get better as he starts gaining more confidence in himself.
As for Green, its still more of a hunch. My opinion may change or be reinforced, depending on how I feel about him after seeing him play against NBA competition. But the potential I see in him is very high. I think his chances are very good that he'll become a very good player--even a star.
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