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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 2, 2005 3:57:57 GMT -5
This is why Pierce will be traded:
In 2 years, Al Jefferson is going to command a pretty good sized new contract, if not the max. Delonte and Allen will come cheaper, but they, too, will get a pay increase.
In 3 years, Gerald Green is also going to command a pretty good sized new contract, in not the max. Gomes and Orien, depending on how they turn out, will also get pay increases.
This is Perkins' and Banks' last year of their rookie contract. I don't know about Banks' future, but I think Perkins will remain, and if he does, he's soon going to get paid a new contract.
In 2 years, Pierce is going to be a 30 year old free agent, looking for a new contract and looking to be paid handsomely because it could possibly be his last significant contract.
See where I'm going?
We'd be silly to think Ainge hasn't already considered this upcoming situation.
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Post by Ossric on Jul 2, 2005 10:14:12 GMT -5
Don't forget the "team option" Derren
In 2 years, Baker comes of the books, that alone should suffice to match any qualifying offer for Perkins & Banks (if he's still around). We have a team option on Jefferson, so we needn't worry about him that year.
At the end of 2007-08 Pierce & Davis are RFA, Lafrentz is in the last year of his deal. Blonut only has 2 years left. It may be me but i believe we'll have enough cap flexibility to resign Jeeferson to a good contract then. Green will also not be a problem because we'll have a team option on him in 08-09.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 2, 2005 10:58:46 GMT -5
Even with team options, you still have to look 5 years down the line to see how you are going to be able to pay for the services of our star players. I have little doubt that Jefferson will be one and will probably get close to the max to keep him here for the next 8 - 9 years. That'll be roughly 10 - 12 million per year. I see star potential written all over Gerald Green, and he'll most likely get what Jefferson gets when his deal needs re-working. So that's another 10 - 12 million. Now, if Pierce is in the mix, he'll command at least 10 million from management if Ainge wants to keep him in Boston and not lose him in free agency. That's a boatload of money to be spending on just 3 players (30+ million dollars between 3 guys). Say the next 5 best players on the team command rougly MLE money--that's 5 players making 5 million per year = 25 million. That makes it around the ballpark of 55 - 60 million dollars for just 8 players.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 2, 2005 11:03:17 GMT -5
W/ the exception of Detroit, if you look at the last couple of NBA champions, the teams consisted of 2 max contract players, 1 expensive player (but not max contract), and role players (cheap players). That is the trend in the NBA, since the salary cap went into effect.
I am sure Danny has been thinking about this situation since he got on board. Every GM has to look at his assets (players) vs. his budget (the cap).
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 2, 2005 11:36:22 GMT -5
Yes, but if you look at our team, we could be the deepest team in basketball. I honestly feel we are on our way to a dynasty with the amazingly talented players we have been drafting. Just in the past 3 years, we have drafted 9 players who are still on the team and still have a future with us (we'll see about Banks). That is just remarkable.
It is possible to keep Pierce on the team with a big contract because if we are a championship caliber team, our revenue will be high. Wyc and Co. might not mind shelling out the luxury tax yearly.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 2, 2005 12:16:13 GMT -5
I think with Walker coming off the books, Payton coming off, Raef coming off, and Blonut coming off, and MLEs that i don't think count towards the cap we might barely make it all work, but things happen. i could easily see Perkin's agent demanding more than what Blonut got and I wouldn't even blame him too much.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 2, 2005 12:16:29 GMT -5
And Baker coming off. I should have added him.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 3, 2005 0:42:32 GMT -5
If Perkins wants more than what hes worth, he will go also I think. Hopefully he wont be a big guy having big games on a contract year and then fizzle out. Hopefully, he can play better this coming year and get maybe a 16m deal for 4 yrs or 5. For some reason also, I can't see Perkins wanting as much as Blonut did. Allen yea maybe. He could ask for more. Jefferson will probably get a 50-55mil deal for 5 years if he shows signs of star material even more enxt year.
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Post by mev17 on Jul 4, 2005 1:55:00 GMT -5
This is also the reason I believe Walker is gone. He spoke towards the end of the season of wanting his next contract to be his last and carry him for the rest of his career, or something to that respect. Given he is 29, that probably means a 5 year deal (or 6 from us) but I doubt Ainge wants to make that type of long term commitment to Walker. I could see us making a sign and trade, which Walker would agree to so he could get the higher yearly increases and one more guaranteed year.
As to Pierce, there is no hurry to trade him as we have a couple of years before the young guys will start to make big money. If the right deal comes along, I can see it happen, but there is no rush to trade him by the end of the summer.
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Post by mev17 on Jul 4, 2005 1:58:24 GMT -5
This is also why, in another thread, I was supportive of trading Walker for Skinner from Sacramento or PJ Brown; Brown has two years left on his contract, and Skinner three but the third year is a team option. They could do a great job of mentoring our young bigs, and then they come off the books (along with Baker's contract) in July of 2007 -- just in time to start resigning our recent draftees.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 5, 2005 1:20:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd be interested in trading for Skinner or PJ Brown. I liked Skinner as a 76'er. He's a tough player and he'll give us a solid rebounder. But PJ is ideal because of his professionalism.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 5, 2005 10:40:24 GMT -5
skinner and pj are both good back-ups. i would probably prefer skinner since he's younger
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jul 12, 2005 12:10:24 GMT -5
I like where the Celtics are financially right now. The direction is clearly headed toward the kids of the last three years of drafting. I also think Walker is dreaming if he wants a 6 yr - 54 million dollar contract at least from Boston's perspective. I also believe at least 80% of the basketball execs around the league are not intereseted in offering Walker that money. Perhaps Isiah Thomas is stupid enough to pay Walker that. He continues to make dumb deals. If we can get Malik Rose and a short term filler - perhaps we can dump Blount on them, too.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 13, 2005 15:22:44 GMT -5
If I were some team like Atlanta I might be saving up cap space to make a run at a guy like PP in a couple years, except that they have their own young players similar to ours.
I think Milwakee is the new stupid team. Paying Redd a max contract when nobody else could offer as much was dumb. Give a $36 mill contract to Gadzuric was about as dumb as what we gave Blonut. I mean who else was going to give him that kind of money? What would you rather have? Scalabrine for 1.3 mill or Gadzuric for 6mill? Stupid. We won't have to worry about them any year soon.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 13, 2005 21:31:46 GMT -5
Derren does have a point though. PJ does have locker room professionalism. He never got suspended I don't think. Skinner may not be as vocal as PJ. Either way, you win because you still get something back for Walker.
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