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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 2, 2005 15:06:12 GMT -5
Morrison fits into that smart, high IQ basketball player type who can shoot efficiently and score in various ways. He's not athletic or quick, but he's smart. I can see him fitting in with what we are doing here.
As for OJ Mayo, I haven't seen him play yet, so I really don't know what type of PG he is--whether he's a scoring PG like Starbury, or if he's a PG like Billups who can score, but doesn't over do it. All I know is that he's regarded as one of the premier high school players for a few years now.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Jul 2, 2005 16:46:20 GMT -5
As for OJ Mayo, I haven't seen him play yet, so I really don't know what type of PG he is--whether he's a scoring PG like Starbury, or if he's a PG like Billups who can score, but doesn't over do it. All I know is that he's regarded as one of the premier high school players for a few years now. Yes, I have been hearing a lot of buzz on OJ Mayo as well. If he can be a Billups type who is a very good scorer but doesn't overdo it like Marbury, then I would LOVE to bring him here. I just have been hearing that he does tend to overdo it and sometimes does not get his teammates involved, like it says in that scouting report. I'm sure he can fix that, and if he can, it would be great for him to be our tall PG of the future. But like I said in my other post, it will be tough to bring him here, very tough. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 3, 2005 0:34:51 GMT -5
Oops, didn't see ya mention Morrison in your post johnny, sorry. Looks like were on the same page here. I guess we are on the same page. Anyways, don't think of Green as a T-Mac. Think of him as a Darius Miles who will be a better team player. I don't see him being a 20ppg+ scorer realy. Maybe 16ppg at most with 2 spg and 5 apg. |
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Jul 3, 2005 11:15:27 GMT -5
Actually, if OJ Mayo can a 18 ppg, 7-8 apg, 5-6 rpg type player who can be our point guard, then I would even more love to bring him here. If he can be the type of player who is a great scorer, but is a pass first PG, then he would be great (kinda like Chauncey Billups, but more like LeBron with lesser scoring numbers). With him averaging about 18 ppg, and BigAl and G$ getting in the low 20s ppg, then this team will be unstoppable, not to mention the role players like Delonte, TA, Perkins, and Gomes (maybe even Morrison!) helping out a lot as well. Like I said, it will be a long shot. But if we can throw in our 2007 cavs pick (which can be a high pick if the Cavs don't bring in someone to help LBJ soon) with Pierce, then we could possibly get the #1 pick. Here's the lineup (with the bench as well).
PG Mayo
SG Green
SF Morrison
PF Jefferson
C Perkins
bench
West
Allen
Gomes
That team looks pretty good to me.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 3, 2005 17:00:16 GMT -5
Mayo needs to be a smart player. If he's a flashy PG who holds the ball for too long trying to make great passes every single time, we don't need him. With Green, Big Al, and our plethora of solid role players who can score, we need our future PG to be able to move the ball around efficiently to make the team better.
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Post by VI_CelticsFan on Jul 3, 2005 21:45:59 GMT -5
Mayo needs to be a smart player. If he's a flashy PG who holds the ball for too long trying to make great passes every single time, we don't need him. With Green, Big Al, and our plethora of solid role players who can score, we need our future PG to be able to move the ball around efficiently to make the team better. Exactly derren, exactly. Gave you a karma point for that. Which college or high school PG do you have you eye on? I like Rajon Rondo from Kentucky and Daniel Gibson from Texas. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 4, 2005 2:48:23 GMT -5
Ah, college talk already ;D I like Jordan Farmar from UCLA. This guy is like Delonte West, but more of a floor general--as in running the pick and roll and creating plays. He looks like a solid one. Not a star player type, but just a solid PG. Could turn out to be like Kirk Hinrich.
I also like Marcus Williams from UCONN. Rondo was another one I like. I saw Gibson play, but wasn't impressed, initially. I'll check him out this year to see if he improved.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 4, 2005 11:05:02 GMT -5
Derren, I heard a rumor (because I do not know the real story) that Williams and Price from UCONN may be in trouble w/ the law.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 4, 2005 18:14:52 GMT -5
Really? Well, young guys will make immature mistakes. I rather they get it out of their systems now and hopefully grow up before entering the NBA. Marcus is a good one, so he needs to stay out of trouble.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 13, 2005 21:15:28 GMT -5
This team may not even need that great of a future pg. Look at past teams. West could just be the answer. But, other positions have to be pretty strong.
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Post by Ossric on Jul 15, 2005 6:09:16 GMT -5
West could suffice if you need a PG that can bring the ball up the court & shoot. If you need a PG that can create opportunities or put the ball in the hands of our offensive players at the right time & place, West doesn't cut it. He's really more of a SG.
That's why looking in my crystal ball i say, either West is traded next summer or he finds a niche on this team as a 3PT specialist from the bench.
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Jul 15, 2005 6:37:36 GMT -5
i agree with you ossric. west could be one of those pieces that could be included in a trade. it's kind of unorthodox idea here but hear me out. the way ainge raves about him and hypes up his potential makes me think why does he do that? he usually doesn't hype up other youngsters (jefferson excluded but al ain't going anywhere). the other sign for that, call me paranoid if you want, is the fact that he drafted delonte ahead of tony. we all know both doc and danny were really on tony. so if you draft with back-to-back picks 2 players who are both shooting guards with the possibility of trading one of them you would probably trade the highest paid one. well. at least you would draft the one more likely to be traded first. and i honestly don't see delonte panning out as our future starting pg. he's heady, smart and all but he really doesn't create for others. he solid and he will probably forever remain solid but that's it.
maybe i'm all wrong of course ;D
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 15, 2005 10:48:32 GMT -5
Well, seeing that Delonte has all the qualities Ainge searches for in players (such as bball IQ, skills, athleticism, personality, shooting ability, etc), I'd say that Delonte is a pretty safe bet to stay a Celtic for a long time. But you never know.
I feel the same way, Oss. I think a PG who can dictate the offense and create plays for teammates is a piece we need to compete for a title. When the game is close and time is running out, having a PG who won't crumble, and make the right passes to get the best scoring opportunities, is vitally important. Delonte is a steady PG who doesn't create scoring opportunities nearly as often as I'd like our PG to be able to.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 15, 2005 15:34:43 GMT -5
Well, seeing that Delonte has all the qualities Ainge searches for in players (such as bball IQ, skills, athleticism, personality, shooting ability, etc), I'd say that Delonte is a pretty safe bet to stay a Celtic for a long time. But you never know.... Delonte is a steady PG who doesn't create scoring opportunities nearly as often as I'd like our PG to be able to. That's what makes me think DW can be the starting PG we need and want. I think he has a high IQ and can learn to distibute the ball. Given time and some solid coaching it can be done. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 16, 2005 5:55:32 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence about Delonte as our future starting PG. In a system where everyone is trusted to share the ball and find the open man, Delonte will be a fine fit because when he's in there, the ball seems to move around the court better and with his shooting, he'll be able to convert points. I can see him being an effective starter in this system.
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