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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 30, 2009 21:57:48 GMT -5
1-Manny Ramirez
2-David Ortiz
3-Alex Rodriguez
4-Mark McGuire
5-Barry Bonds
6-Gary Shefield
***anyone else?
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 30, 2009 22:50:07 GMT -5
Giambi
Petette
Clemens
That dude from the astros that died a few years back
Canseco
Bret Boone
Raffy Palmeiro
Sammy Sosa
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 31, 2009 1:28:21 GMT -5
And everyone in football.
I would like to know if Albert Pujols is on PED's. His body is starting to deteriorate a bit soon (the guy is still in his 20's), so that leads me to question. But also he's a big guy with a great eye, so he could be the rare exception.
I think Jim Thome is another--all natural hitter. I don't think he's a product of PED. His body is still going strong in his late 30's.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 31, 2009 23:36:07 GMT -5
Giambi Petette Clemens That dude from the astros that died a few years back Canseco Bret Boone Raffy Palmeiro Sammy Sosa Ken Caminetti (spelling?) Add Rico Brogna to the list. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2009 23:38:51 GMT -5
Ken Caminetti (spelling?) You are correct, sir. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 31, 2009 23:40:12 GMT -5
And everyone in football. I would like to know if Albert Pujols is on PED's. His body is starting to deteriorate a bit soon (the guy is still in his 20's), so that leads me to question. But also he's a big guy with a great eye, so he could be the rare exception. I think Jim Thome is another--all natural hitter. I don't think he's a product of PED. His body is still going strong in his late 30's. I'd say Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. were also two sluggers that didnt take steroids. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 1, 2009 11:57:22 GMT -5
And everyone in football. I would like to know if Albert Pujols is on PED's. His body is starting to deteriorate a bit soon (the guy is still in his 20's), so that leads me to question. But also he's a big guy with a great eye, so he could be the rare exception. I think Jim Thome is another--all natural hitter. I don't think he's a product of PED. His body is still going strong in his late 30's. I'd say Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr. were also two sluggers that didnt take steroids. Ken Griffey Jr I thought was always clean. His career mirrored the pattern of the human body. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 1, 2009 14:06:24 GMT -5
I would love to think Griffey is clean cause I was a big fan of his in his heyday in SEA, but aside from his wrist injury (making a great leaping catch into the wall in the Kingdome), he's had a host of leg injuries over the years--so I wonder if that's a sign of PED?
Yeah, I agree with the Big Hurt being clean. That was was an on-base machine. Part of the reason why he wasn't a bigger RBI guy was because he would take so many darn walks. With a runner on third with no outs, instead driving a ball into the outfield for a sac fly, he would often take close pitches and eventually draw the walk.
I still remember his blast he had in PITT in the All-Star homerun competition back in the 90's. What bat speed and strength I tell you.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 2, 2009 8:04:19 GMT -5
I would love to think Griffey is clean cause I was a big fan of his in his heyday in SEA, but aside from his wrist injury (making a great leaping catch into the wall in the Kingdome), he's had a host of leg injuries over the years--so I wonder if that's a sign of PED? Yeah, I agree with the Big Hurt being clean. That was was an on-base machine. Part of the reason why he wasn't a bigger RBI guy was because he would take so many darn walks. With a runner on third with no outs, instead driving a ball into the outfield for a sac fly, he would often take close pitches and eventually draw the walk. I still remember his blast he had in PITT in the All-Star homerun competition back in the 90's. What bat speed and strength I tell you. I believe it was the summer of '98, and I saw KG Jr get carted off at Yankee Standium live. |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 3, 2009 18:31:52 GMT -5
I would love to think Griffey is clean cause I was a big fan of his in his heyday in SEA, but aside from his wrist injury (making a great leaping catch into the wall in the Kingdome), he's had a host of leg injuries over the years--so I wonder if that's a sign of PED? I don't think injuries are a sign of steroid use. If anything, a lack steroids in an older player can be a sign of steroid use. The main reason a lot of players take roids is to get over injuries faster. Look at Clemens and Bonds. It isnt natural for players that age to be doing what they did. You are supposed to be breaking down in your 40s, not setting records. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 3, 2009 23:43:02 GMT -5
What I meant is that when a young player takes PED, his body starts to deteriorate quicker.
Take Bonds for instance. He was putting up incredible numbers in his 40's, but it was painful to watch him run or play in the outfield. His knees just deteriorated so rapidly. In his early years with PITT, he looked like he had the body that would be going strong into his 40's, stealing bases and putting up 30-50 numbers yearly. But his upper body just puffed up, and with that, his knees started to go bad.
Guys in the early years used steroids for different purposes (Terry Bradshaw admitted to steroid use, but claims it wasn't to enhance his body or performance). It was to heal quicker, as you mentioned Fresh. Nowadays, its about enhancing your numbers.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 4, 2009 0:31:54 GMT -5
Take Bonds for instance. He was putting up incredible numbers in his 40's, but it was painful to watch him run or play in the outfield. His knees just deteriorated so rapidly. In his early years with PITT, he looked like he had the body that would be going strong into his 40's, stealing bases and putting up 30-50 numbers yearly. But his upper body just puffed up, and with that, his knees started to go bad.[/quote} So do you think Bonds would still be playing if he didn't take steroids? I don't. Even if he hadnt gotten so big, he certainly wouldnt be stealing a lot of bases in his 40s. His bat is what kept him in the league so long. Without his bat, he wouldve been replaced by faster, cheaper outfield talent once he got into his late 30s. I still believe that a lot of guys take steroids to heal from injuries faster (I know a lot of guys that get caught say it was for that purpose). But that is cheating just the same. Getting hurt throughout the year is part of the game. You are supposed to be hurt when you play sports at sucj a high level. Take Bradshaw for an example. Those D-Lineman coming after him were playing hurt as well. Why should Bradshaw get an unfair advantage that allows him to heal faster than his competition. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 4, 2009 12:18:51 GMT -5
Yes, I do. I think if Bonds wasn't taking PED's, he would have been stealing a lot more bases and playing a much better defensive LF.
Isn't the ad campaign that they're showing on tv pronouncing that steroids destroys the body?
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Post by eja117 on Aug 4, 2009 16:31:08 GMT -5
Who plays strong into their 40s without peds? Nobody. It is natural for a 40 year old to have bad knees and to have retired a few years ago.
There are a few guys that played ok in their 40s that I don't suspect, but not many. Nolan Ryan. The Yankee base stealer guy. Ricky something. Maybe John Smoltz. That's about it.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 4, 2009 17:23:53 GMT -5
Ok, there are 40 year olds who slow down and don't look good in the field anymore, and there are 40 year olds whose body just falls apart, and its not that they aren't capable of playing the outtield anymore--its that its just too painful for them to do it.
Remember Kirk Gibson whacking that game winning homerun against the A's in the WS? Remember how he looked rounding the bases? Well, that's Bonds.
So are you guys saying that Bonds didn't take PED's? Are you guys saying that PED's don't harm the body? That's what it sounds like.
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