C's Roster as it stands?

[cfoo]

PG-West, Banks, Greene
SG-Green, Ricky
SF-Pierce, Allen, Reed
PF-Walker, Jefferson, Gomes
C-Raef, Perkins, Blount

Thats 14 and a good 14 at that. We keep Walker or we sign 2 free agents instead of one. It is also dependant on guys like Reed or Greene even making the team. Im assuming everyone else does. I bet we get another pg. And maybe something down low if Walker walks. Danny could also ship out low salaried players like Reed, Greene, Banks for an upgrade at PG.

[Harris34]

Hey everyone,

Now that I hear Doc's "we are absolutely not trading Pierce" comments, i'm back. I could care less about the conspiracy theories some of you might come up with involving Pierce. If it comes from Danny, maybe its a smoke screen. If it comes from Doc on national tv, it's the real deal.

Right now the roster looks sweet. We need a veteran pg though. Maybe someone like Earl Watson or Brevin Knight can come in and help.

The Green pick is a steal for us. I don't see how that changes the Pierce situation as he is NOT an upgrade over Pierce right now. If anything, this opens the door to trade Allen and/or Davis for some PG/C help.

A roster of Perkins,Jefferson,Green,Pierce, and West could do some serious damage in a few years. If Green plays as well as Tony Allen and Jefferson did last year, than we are up for a fun season in Beantown.

[meltinjohn]

Hey Harris! Wow, since when do you live in St Petersburg?
Seeing that Pierce will not be moved at all came from Doc, I suppose that doesn't look too good. I want him gone more than ever especially with the Green pick. But still even before that.

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Either Pierce or Davis will have to go down the road especially with Green. I'm still shocked Green fell to us. Its like Josh Smith last year. Man, this has been one good night for me.

[DERRENMATTS]

The way I see it, our roster positions line up like this:

Banks (PG)
Orien (PG)
Delonte (PG, SG)
Allen (SG)
Ricky (SG)
Green (SG, SF)
Pierce (SG, SF)
Reed (SF, PF)
Gomes (SF, PF)
Jefferson (PF)
Raef (PF, C)
Blount (C)
Perkins (C)

Pierce and Green are nice because they can play dual positions, as can Reed and Gomes. Tony Allen and Ricky Davis are both SG's, and one of them will become expendable once Green shows some development. There's too much glut at the wing positions.

But its nice to have a talent pool this deep.

[BCHISTORIAN]

your assessment is pretty dead-on derren. i would have thought that tony allen is the odd man out but now doc expects a breakout year from him. i hate all the trade pp threads but he's the one to go ime when green matures. hold your horses though it's not gonna happen in the next two years i think

[DERRENMATTS]

Well, its either going to be Pierce, Ricky, or Allen. And of the 3 only Pierce isn't an Ainge pick. Ricky came over from Cleveland because of Ainge and Allen was drafted by Ainge. Its not definite that it'll be Pierce, but he does have the most value of the three.

[cfoo]

We will cross that bridge when we get there. Last year it was Allen starting with Pierce and Ricky as teh 6th man and there were plenty of minutes to go around. This year it will be Green and Allen battling for minutes most likely. We got rid of Jiri last year so that should allow more minutes to go around this year. Down the road once Green, Pierce and Ricky are all demanding major minutes we may have a problem, but it will be good problem to have so why even worry about it now. Plus we are at least 2 years away from that anyhow.

[tjlamro]

roster might not be done... read celticsgreen.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=0506&action=display&thread=1120076419

[meltinjohn]

I say this. I say that when Pierces contract is expiring (1 yr), he can be dealt to get some key backups or something. Right now, it may not be a problem with pt but I expect to see Allens minutes go so low hes into the injured reserve most of the time because Green will outplay him. Reed or 1 of the 2nd rounders this yr will be cut or moved into the nbdl.

[Roadrunner]

Speaking of Jiri, did anyone notice he was traded again. This time for a second round pick. Wow, this guy has been moved alot. And, I always liked him.

[BCHISTORIAN]

i don't think that we move somebody bronto. it's not necessarily the case.
as of now i expect the roster to be something like this:

PG
west, banks, vet
if we sign jasikevicius, he'll demand starters minutes and probably be a starter as well. that means that bansk is likely on the way out in some trade. the reason i say this is that danny thinks of west more than of banks. and in such a scenario orien could find a place on the rostr since he will not demand much playing time initially anyway. keeping banks in such a role would mean wasting his talent, development and trade value. not happening.
i say: depending on who we sign as a vet and how orien plays in the summer league either banks will be traded or orien sent to nbdl

SG
allen, davis
initially i thought that allen will be shipped out. that may still be the case but after doc said that he expects allen to have a break out year i don't believe in it anymore. i think that allen will continue to start and ricky will still be the leader of the second unit. minute-wise davis will probably still play more but not as much as last season. of course if allen plays the way he played last year he will be the number one tardet in trades. keep in mind that ainge turned down trade for baron davis when the hornets wanted tony allen to be included.
i say: situation remains unchanged, maybe ricky davis gets to start but that's it.

SF
pierce, green, gomes
pp will still play major minutes but finally he can be kept at 35 minutes per game. green will be his main back up though initially it could be gomes due to his experience. however i don't expect green to take much time to adapt to the league like al last year. that would force gomes to be a situational match up at sf or play mainly at pf backing up al and a vet we most likely will bring in one way or the other.
as for justin reed - i expect him to be included in adeal or even more likely sent to the nbdl
that's what i say ;D

PF
jefferson, vet, gomes
as of right now jefferon is our only true pf. the case could be made that raef should belong here but i disagree. he's too slow for most of the pf's in the league. and he's skilled enugh to be our tstarting c. anyway - everybody hopes that jefferson will get major minutes at the pf position and i fully expect it as well. barring a no-brainer trade we most likely won't get an impact pf who would like to be starter especially when the break-out of al jefferson is only a matter of time. so we most likely bring in a back-up who's tough and willing to teach his tricks to our front-court youngsters. oh yeah you ask what about walker. i actually would like to have him back since he's probably the most talented one we could get. and ha has excellent leadership skills,but i'm afraid of two things: his contract demands and his willingness to take a back seat rather soon to watch al jefferson command major minutes. as far as his contract demands are concerned then he probably want too much money and too many years. the c's would probably offer him max three years and max 7-8 million. since he will not get such numbers from anywhere then the sign and trade scenario could come up. anyway if we got him with those numbers i mentioned he would be a bargain, sure the other biggest issue is his playing manners. doc seems to be the only one who could make him change his game. anyways if we sign and trade him then i'm sure ainge gets good value in return.
i say: jefferson, vet, gomes will be our pf rotation next year. i wouldn't be disappointed if the vet was walker

C
lafrentz, perkins, vet
i fully expect perkins to start to take over next year. the first step would be rubbing blount into the dust. he got limited minutes last year and those minutes will grow. since lafrentz continues to start and perk will get twice as many minutes as last year i think blount would be in a very difficult situation if he still is on our roster come the end of training camp. however i don't see that happening. he will be traded is what i fully expect.
i say: this is the last year when perkins is not a starter. maybe he will be at the end of the season, who knows. his time to prove himself is now and now when doc is familiar with all the guys perkins will get his real chance.

so in conclusion: i expect some kind of trade coming up for front-court vet help. for example if we get jasikevicius i think that banks, reed, blount and number of first rounder could be traded for magloire. hell i would even trade banks, reed, blount for pj brown and a pick

just my 2 cents. darn that was a long typing ;D

[DERRENMATTS]

Excellent post, BC. I must commend you on your English. You did a fantastic job articulating your thoughts. I give you a karma point (I must be in a giving mood tongiht--just gave Mev one too).

I'd do a Banks, Blount, Reed trade for PJ Brown and fillers. I'm feeling good about Orien Greene (and I'm still not convinced Marcus will make good on his potential), so moving Banks will not be hard for me. Blount is not useful at all, and Reed now becomes expendable because of Ryan Gomes (sorry C17).

[BCHISTORIAN]

my english is getting better, huh? ;D

anyways - i still think that banks is gonna be special. not starter but a very good back-up

[cfoo]

Very good post BC. I pretty much agree with everything you said. I think our roster is pretty much set although i do agree with the players you think may be traded.