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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 12, 2005 0:07:35 GMT -5
What did you really mean EJA?
I'm lost. Again...
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Post by eja117 on Jul 12, 2005 13:51:17 GMT -5
Both players are good but can't win you a championship as the leader of a team. But they are good enough that they fool people into thinking they can win you a championship. They dominate the ball, the locker room, the headlines, and they will never lead you to a championship without a dominant big man helping them. Kobe dominates the ball even more than Paul. I am telling you every time the ball is being passed to Paul it should be getting passed to Al J (unless PP has a major match up advantage).
Ever since MJ people have been fooled into thinking guards win championships when they don't and never have. Even MJ needed Horance Grant and Rodman. Bird needed 2 HOF big men. Majic needed Kareem and Worthy. That's why Iverson, Kidd, Vince Carter, Mcgrady etc will all never win championships (until they have legit big men to play with). Put PP on that list with Kobe. The teams with shots at the trophy are teams with players named Shaq, Duncan, the Wallaces, maybe KG, and the Suns if they keep Amare and a player the caliber of Marion. It doesn't take a genious PG to pass the ball into Shaq. Ever notice how whatever guard Shaq played with was always "the next MJ"? Tony Allen could be the next MJ if he played with Shaq. Overpaying or allowing PP to dominate the Cs is like letting Kobe be the man in LA. It is NBA championship suicide. Our championship hopes lay squarely on the shoulders of Al J and Perkins.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 12, 2005 14:50:31 GMT -5
Thanks, I thought that was where you were going but I wasn't sure.
I agree btw...
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 12, 2005 21:46:07 GMT -5
Eja117, great analysis. Jordan was one exception to the center rule. Though, his team had Pippen, Rodman, Grant and a HOF role players team.
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Post by Celtic17 on Jul 12, 2005 21:54:59 GMT -5
Eja117, great analysis. Jordan was one exception to the center rule. Though, his team had Pippen, Rodman, Grant and a HOF role players team. Kinda like 1985-86 with us. Wedman, Walton and Sichting (sp).   Best team ever? |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 12, 2005 23:05:44 GMT -5
Very well put, Eja. I do agree.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 13, 2005 11:15:27 GMT -5
MJ also fooled the world into thinking offense wins games when it is actually defense and rebounding. Kobe, MJ, Rodman, and Pippen were all underratted defenders. If you made a team with every single all star guard, but the big men were Blonut, Raef, and Scalabrine they would not beat the Pistons, because there is only one ball and if the Pistons keep rebounding only the Pistons will have it. Then they play defence and stop you from scoring and that's it. This team changed over night the moment AL J was drafted. Since about 92 we had no legit big man. Dino Radja, Montross, and AW (Tony Battie and Potapenko were actually worse)were as close as we got to a legit big man during that time. I remember Eric Williams playing center once. We have enough players that can shoot, dribble, penetrate, dish, and maybe even some day pass. PP and Ricky Davis wouldn't be that missed, especially in the long run.
Also it's pretty clear at the SF position they are playing Gomes and Reed off against each other and if they both do well Davis might get traded. Between Reed, Gomes, Tony Allen, and Gerald Green (and maybe Delonte depending on situations) our SF/SG positions could be set for years to come and the beuty is that with so many good players none of them will be able to establish themselves as max contract guys, so we could possibly sign them all to ok deals before Davis and PPs deals run out. Now if we could only get into a similar situation with the frontcourt we could become the Patriots of the NBA with each player being a major contributor.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 13, 2005 18:16:01 GMT -5
If Pierce is traded, Ainge needs to make sure that he brings in a solid veteran wing player to replace him (doesn't have to be directly through the trade). I don't want Ricky Davis and his crazy antics to be the veteran and professional presence for young Allen and Green. We'll need a vet who will teach them the right way to do things and the right mindset to be a quality professional in the NBA. Ricky Davis is always gonna be like a little boy so he can't be the main veteran. Hes a veteran who needs to be in the same category as the young guys. Thats not always a bad thing but make him a leader and your team goes to hell. Damon Stoudamire wouldn't be a bad return for Pierce. Unrealistic though. A trade to the hornets could be PJ Brown and Dickau and a protected 1st rounder or just Magliore for Pierce would be decent. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 14, 2005 0:57:38 GMT -5
Our depth is potentially lethal. It'll be to our advantage that Reed and Gomes don't develop into stars. Sounds like non-sense, but Eja is right. If they don't develop into stars, we won't need to shell out enormous contracts.
Like you are jabbing at Eja, defense is very important. MJ and Pippen were not only scoring threats, but they were also perennial All-Defensive team players. And though none of our players will turn out to be that awesome defensively, we do have a number of young players who can play tight defense. Delonte, Allen, Banks, Ricky, Perkins, Jefferson, and Reed are on the top of that list. Green and Greene have stats that seem to indicate that they are good at stealing passes.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jul 14, 2005 16:58:05 GMT -5
It would be good if everyone besides Jefferson is not looking for bigger money. It would sure keep the egos down. This includes West, Gomes, Reed, Banks,Perkins and anyone drafted in the past 3 yrs.
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