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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 23, 2005 0:33:33 GMT -5
I'm not going to act like I know much about the international talent, because frankly, I have yet to see one actually play with my own eyes. But we cannot discredit the possibility of drafting one this year (or years to come). Danny Ainge and Chris Wallace have been scouring europe for some time now and they aren't doing for vacation (well, I can't be too sure about Wallace ;D). One of the big names that is shoring up these days is Yaroslav Korolev. He's 6'9", 195 lbs and can play SF. You can read about this guy: www.draftcity.com/viewprofile.php?p=256After having a disappointing showing last year, Ivan Chiriaev is resurfacing again this year, and this time, the comments are more positive. At 7 foot, he's got guard like dribbling and passing ability, plus he can shoot the three's. Is he for real? Tiago Splitter has been on the radar for a couple of years now, and he supposedly better than Anderson Varejao, whom I was impressed with after watching him play in Cleveland. He's 6'11" and plays hard and got a good scoring game. Nemanja Alexandrov is a guy we heard about earlier in the year, but seems like he's disappointed some folks as of late. Still, he's a young player with a lot of physical tools, and he could be that tall SF we want. Then you have a group of PG's who could make it to the NBA, like Rudy Fernandez and Roko Leni-Ukic. I'll start posting more about the international kids as I do more homework on them. But whoever has any input, please add to this list because we all would like to hear more about the talent overseas. |
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on May 23, 2005 1:15:11 GMT -5
only splitter and fernandez have shown glimpses of what they do. i haven't seen ukic play so i can't say much about him. alexandrov plays in a team which doesn't get much tv time. korolev has come out of nowhere - i didn't even know he existed before the hype that surprisingly surrounds him now. and keep away from chiriaev...
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 23, 2005 2:14:05 GMT -5
Ain't that always the case. Guys come out of nowhere and get a lot of hype. But then again, before they came out, no one heard of Kirilenko, Ginobli, Gasol, Nowitzki, etc.
So what can you say about Rudy Fernandez, BC?
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Post by meltinjohn on May 23, 2005 3:21:12 GMT -5
I'm not going to act like I know much about the international talent, because frankly, I have yet to see one actually play with my own eyes. But we cannot discredit the possibility of drafting one this year (or years to come). Danny Ainge and Chris Wallace have been scouring europe for some time now and they aren't doing for vacation (well, I can't be too sure about Wallace ;D). One of the big names that is shoring up these days is Yaroslav Korolev. He's 6'9", 195 lbs and can play SF. Nemanja Alexandrov is a guy we heard about earlier in the year, but seems like he's disappointed some folks as of late. Still, he's a young player with a lot of physical tools, and he could be that tall SF we want. Then you have a group of PG's who could make it to the NBA, like Rudy Fernandez and Roko Leni-Ukic. I'll start posting more about the international kids as I do more homework on them. But whoever has any input, please add to this list because we all would like to hear more about the talent overseas. It would be nice to nab 1 or 2 of them with the 50 and 53rd picks perhaps. But boy oh boy Derren, you have some discussing to do on Alexandrov. I don't believe I stand corrected when I say this but you said he would be a top pick this yr last yr and he would be a good risk to give Paul Pierce up for. Man that was sick. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on May 23, 2005 4:01:16 GMT -5
That's exactly the reason why I made a rule with myself not to hype up players I have not seen with my own 2 eyes. I made that comment about Nemanja before I implemented my new rule.
But the kid hasn't even gotten a chance to prove himself in the NBA yet. We'll have to give him a few years to see if I was off the end of the boat on that one.
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Post by meltinjohn on May 25, 2005 8:31:43 GMT -5
Right.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 15, 2005 12:19:34 GMT -5
I don't hate Euro players. But I hate it when I think players are all hype. Here's a question for you? We all know that if a tree falls in the middle of a forrest and nobody is around to hear it nobody really knows what sound it makes. So if there is a Euro that nobody has seen play does he really exist? I don't think NBA execs should draft players that really only exist in imagination. I am considering inventing an NBA player. He's a friend of mine. Vytas Narkunenia from Utena Lithuania. I'm going to take a picture of him on stilts, list his height at 7 feet and weight 210. Swear he has a great outside shot and that he needs to work on defense since I want to be believable.
Then I am going to sit back and wait for the Pistons to draft him 7th overall.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 15, 2005 21:41:08 GMT -5
Vytas Narkunenia from Utena Lithuania
Too late. Sports Illustrated already did a special on him last month ;D
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 15, 2005 22:01:38 GMT -5
As for european players, I think a few GM's have done their homework and have drafted players like Dirk, Manu, etc, but several GM's have literally wasted picks because they are trying to find the next European player. Like Derren, I have adapted the similiar rule about commenting on players I have never actually seen.
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Post by meltinjohn on Jun 15, 2005 23:14:22 GMT -5
I base things on what I hear and sometimes what I see. College games kinda bore me. I read about guys on the internet mostly. Mike Wilkinson isn't in these mock drafts I see though. Will Bynum neither. I caught a glimpse of Vincent Grier but apparently hes not coming out. Dunno what year hes in but hes on the golden gophers.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2005 13:47:43 GMT -5
I should point out i totally beleive in Euros as a second round investment like Memet Okur, Darius Songalia, and Manu. I think the Euros have an unfair advantage in the sense they can go to Europe a few years for seasoning, but an American kid can't really go to the NBDL. they either make a team or go away till they get a call. But that said the system is the system and if Ainge drafts some Euro in the 2nd I have no problem with it. Especially Uros Slokar from what I read.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 16, 2005 17:39:31 GMT -5
Question for y'all. Does a player develop better if he is sent overseas for a year, or if he stays on with the NBA team that drafts him and gets to practice everyday with NBA players?
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Post by eja117 on Jun 16, 2005 18:11:44 GMT -5
For an American player it goes
1 college
2 NBA
3 Europe
4 NBDL
5 someplace else like CBA or USBL, possibly WNBA (I swear there is a woman out there better than an NBA player. Maybe Diane T)
For a Euro
1 college here
2 Europe if under the age of 22 to 24, unless they are Dirk
3 NBA
4 by this time they probably won't be good, but probably NBDL
5 wherever
The Olympics are a good place for experience. Too bad our players are too cool for it. I guess they are just afraid of the Lithuanias and Puerto Ricos of teh world.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 16, 2005 20:24:47 GMT -5
The issue w/ the NBA is that the college system use to be the "development" league, but players are only going to college 1-2 years, or declaring early. And, if a player stays all 4 years, you wonder why he didn't declare early?
I think to improve, you need real game experience. Overseas would be a better opportunity. Ex: Songalia.
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Post by eja117 on Jun 17, 2005 6:52:48 GMT -5
Songalia went to Wake Forest for 4 years so he already had game experience in the ACC. That had to count for something.
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