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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 7, 2008 23:40:52 GMT -5
Here we are at the halfway mark of the season. Now's a good time to assess our team, and our players. I'll be sparse with this so you guys can add your own two cents along with mine.
What we know
-The Trilogy can take us very far. When the three of them are in a groove, we run away with the games, regardless who we are playing. All three of the Trilogy can thrive in the team game, but when need be, they each can manufacture points on their own (Pierce and Ray have really coming through in this department recently in the absence of Garnett).
-James Posey and Eddie House have been excellent pickups. When they are hitting their jumpers and playing incredible defense off the bench, they force teams to worry beyond the Big 3.
-Tom Thibodeau is good as advertised. His track record spoke for itself before he came here, and its speaking volumes now, and we are witnessess of his expertise. Our defense has hit the road running, and its what's driving this team to the Finals. KG is also a big reason why we are such a defensive juggernaught, but Thib's defensive concept is the main reason why so many players are helping out on defense.
What we think we know
-Rajon Rondo can be a top 10 PG in the entire league in a couple of years--top 7 if he has a consistent jumper (with a steady jumper, he can be a 20 ppg guy, as long as he continues to be aggressive). He's developing that self confidence that says, "I am the Man", that I thought wasn't there prior to this year. With this new mentality, he can reach top PG status.
-Either Big Baby Davis, or Leon Powe (maybe both?) should develop into our backup PF, for the present and for the future.
What we don't know
-We don't know if Kendrick Perkins and Tony Allen are the answers at their positions. Perkins is currently the starter, but he leaves a lot to be desired. Could we be better with a Center who has more to offer offensively and who has more impact on the boards? Tony Allen has nights where you think its a no brainer that he's a big part of our team--and then there are nights where you think you don't need him on the team. Will he good enough to be a starter in the future? Will he even be a consistent role player off the bench on this team? Will he even be here next season?
-Do we have enough depth upfront?
-Do we have enough depth at PG to handle the lockdown pressure we'll face in the playoffs?
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Post by birdie on Feb 8, 2008 4:08:52 GMT -5
Rondo is the worst starting PG in the league, he will be nothing in other team, he poop himself at the end of games and make 2-3 turnovers a minute, I'm very sorry to tell tha butt this guy is not for that team, this team will do nothing big with this PG, we need someone with experience, Rondo do
so much mistakes right now, what about the playoff games, the opponent PG, will eat him alive
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 8, 2008 5:39:42 GMT -5
Now that's what I'm talking about! |
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Post by birdie on Feb 8, 2008 13:26:43 GMT -5
Now that's what I'm talking about! y'all know what I'm talking about |
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Post by mev17 on Feb 8, 2008 15:31:20 GMT -5
Rondo may be inexperienced, but I'm not sure how he can be classified as the worst PG in the league. He came up big for us against Dallas and our offense clearly suffered during the games he missed due to injury about a month ago. He looks better every time I see him, and if teams increase the defensive pressure on him during the playoffs, we have able ball handlers in Garnett, Pierce and Allen that can help break the pressure.
I'm more concerned about our big-man depth.
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Post by runrondo on Feb 8, 2008 16:40:49 GMT -5
I'm more concerned about our big-man depth. Same here..Lately the C's have been proving me wrong on the PG situation but height has really hurt us(Cavs) but we can't forget Pollard is on the bench hurt..He's 6 hard fouls that are missing so maybe our big men aren't so shallow... |
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Post by eddietours on Feb 8, 2008 17:06:12 GMT -5
Rondo is the worst starting PG in the league WHAT!!!! YOU KIDDING RIGHT
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 8, 2008 18:33:45 GMT -5
Not sure how you can classify Rondo as the worst starting PG in the league (I'm sure you are exaggerating some). At worst, he'll develop into an average PG (average meaning 8 points, 5 assist average), but more likely to develop into a better PG than this.
His aggressiveness has been very pleasant to see, and what it shows is that he can be a weapon on offense. This will open up his passing game, making him a better ball distributor.
Birdie, give it time and you'll see just how good Rondo can be.
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Post by birdie on Feb 8, 2008 22:04:16 GMT -5
I hope you'll be right
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Post by Roadrunner on Feb 9, 2008 23:19:31 GMT -5
It depends on how you rate a PG. Based on passing, shooting,etc. Rondo reminds me of Raymond Felton. Except, Rondo has improved his shooting.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 10, 2008 21:39:55 GMT -5
Rondo is an excellent young PG, a poor man's Chris Paul (who Ainge at one time attempted to trade PP to Portland for). So, Birdie, I'm giving you the "double posey" on your assessment of Rajon being the worst starting PG in the NBA. Double Posey = 6 on a Par 4 golf hole.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 14:22:32 GMT -5
Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - Point Guard
RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER
1 Chris Paul, NOR 47 37.5 .475 .876 .560 34.2 8.4 26.8 2.6 9.9 6.1 26.86
2 Chauncey Billups, DET 48 33.6 .453 .904 .625 30.7 8.7 23.0 1.9 8.6 5.2 24.32
3 Jose Calderon, TOR 49 31.7 .533 .921 .629 43.7 7.8 18.8 1.7 10.0 5.9 22.61
4 Steve Nash, PHO 50 34.4 .507 .901 .638 40.2 13.2 23.6 1.1 9.5 5.6 22.01
5 T.J. Ford, TOR 20 24.6 .476 .863 .537 33.2 10.4 27.2 2.6 6.9 4.8 21.99
6 Baron Davis, GSW 50 39.2 .416 .744 .526 25.6 8.6 24.9 3.3 10.1 6.6 20.91
7 Deron Williams, UTH 52 37.0 .514 .795 .597 33.2 12.0 24.1 1.2 8.5 4.9 20.59
8 Tony Parker, SAS 39 34.7 .488 .724 .539 22.9 10.0 27.0 1.6 8.7 5.2 19.70
9 Devin Harris, DAL 39 30.4 .483 .821 .592 26.7 12.0 22.1 1.7 7.1 4.5 18.69
10 Andre Miller, PHI 51 36.2 .491 .736 .532 26.3 10.8 23.0 3.8 9.0 6.4 17.77
11 Jason Terry, DAL 50 31.5 .464 .846 .577 19.2 7.4 20.2 1.3 7.8 4.7 17.76
12 Mo Williams, MIL 47 37.8 .471 .858 .553 26.3 11.2 22.3 1.8 9.7 5.6 16.97
13 Sam Cassell, LAC 35 26.0 .453 .900 .534 24.6 11.0 24.0 1.5 11.4 6.4 16.80
14 Nate Robinson, NYK 45 23.6 .415 .762 .527 18.7 9.0 23.2 3.6 11.0 7.2 16.26
15 Jason Kidd, NJN 50 37.3 .367 .820 .485 40.5 14.1 20.5 3.5 21.8 12.6 16.20
16 Louis Williams, PHI 49 22.4 .416 .768 .520 20.9 10.7 24.0 2.0 7.7 4.9 16.19
17 Jordan Farmar, LAL 50 20.8 .470 .640 .575 23.0 11.3 19.1 2.4 9.4 6.1 15.91
18 Derek Fisher, LAL 50 27.3 .468 .881 .589 20.1 7.9 18.1 1.1 7.6 4.5 15.86
19 Rajon Rondo, BOS 44 31.1 .496 .624 .522 29.1 11.1 17.3 4.2 13.0 8.8 15.39
According to hollinger, Rondo is rank 19th as the most proficient PG in the NBA.
Now lets focus on the startin PGs whom are ahead of him in those rankings:
1 Chris Paul, NOR 47 37.5 .475 .876 .560 34.2 8.4 26.8 2.6 9.9 6.1 26.86
2 Chauncey Billups, DET 48 33.6 .453 .904 .625 30.7 8.7 23.0 1.9 8.6 5.2 24.32
3 Jose Calderon, TOR 49 31.7 .533 .921 .629 43.7 7.8 18.8 1.7 10.0 5.9 22.61
4 Steve Nash, PHO 50 34.4 .507 .901 .638 40.2 13.2 23.6 1.1 9.5 5.6 22.01
5 T.J. Ford, TOR 20 24.6 .476 .863 .537 33.2 10.4 27.2 2.6 6.9 4.8 21.99
6 Baron Davis, GSW 50 39.2 .416 .744 .526 25.6 8.6 24.9 3.3 10.1 6.6 20.91
7 Deron Williams, UTH 52 37.0 .514 .795 .597 33.2 12.0 24.1 1.2 8.5 4.9 20.59
8 Tony Parker, SAS 39 34.7 .488 .724 .539 22.9 10.0 27.0 1.6 8.7 5.2 19.70
9 Devin Harris, DAL 39 30.4 .483 .821 .592 26.7 12.0 22.1 1.7 7.1 4.5 18.69
10 Andre Miller, PHI 51 36.2 .491 .736 .532 26.3 10.8 23.0 3.8 9.0 6.4 17.77
12 Mo Williams, MIL 47 37.8 .471 .858 .553 26.3 11.2 22.3 1.8 9.7 5.6 16.97
13 Sam Cassell, LAC 35 26.0 .453 .900 .534 24.6 11.0 24.0 1.5 11.4 6.4 16.80
15 Jason Kidd, NJN 50 37.3 .367 .820 .485 40.5 14.1 20.5 3.5 21.8 12.6 1618
Derek Fisher, LAL 50 27.3 .468 .881 .589 20.1 7.9 18.1 1.1 7.6 4.5 15.86
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From a starting PGs stand point, Rondo is ranked 15th in the league which would make him in the middle of the pack. Let's not forget, most of those guys are either 2nd/3rd option on their given roster so being the 4th option on the #1 team in the NBA . So, I don't know where the "worst starting PG" concept comes from because the numbers state otherwise.
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Post by kofanis0880 on Feb 11, 2008 17:58:22 GMT -5
He is also the youngest on the list and the best rebounder (behind kidd, and top 5 defender off of that list.
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Post by birdie on Feb 12, 2008 6:44:28 GMT -5
yeah but these numbers, are because of The Trio, if he was in other team he can play third role
in the roster maybe, I don't say he will not be a good player one day, but if he will be, it will be
because of these three, but for this moment he suck very much in every other team
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Feb 15, 2008 13:10:55 GMT -5
In examining the NBA PG statistics, it is clear that Chris Paul has risen to the top of his profession. Also, Jason Kidd is on the decline. I would like a comparison of the final PG standings from last year to see how much Rondo has improved.
Where is Gilbert Arenas on this list? Not enough data to assimulate?
I think Rondo has improved tremendously and it is only a matter of time when he is the Celtics leader (in three years when RA and KG possibly retire and Ainge re-trades them for more future pieces to add to the Rondo - TA - Powe - Davis core).
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