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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jan 31, 2008 6:01:31 GMT -5
Ultimately, I view these two guys as backups on our team (hopefully Ainge lands a stud PF in the starting lineup). Seeing how these two guys have the most talent among our young PF's, who do you think will eventually surface as the better player--Powe or Baby?
They can both rebound, they can both provide some scoring--but they both do it in different ways.
You be the judge.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jan 31, 2008 9:23:00 GMT -5
My question is, why isnt Pollard on that list? I'm calling it now: SP is going to have a late 30s career renaissance a la Barry Bonds.
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Post by birdie on Jan 31, 2008 9:33:01 GMT -5
Scott Pollard can't play I said Powe will be better than Baby in everything, Powe has power and
hustle, but Baby has only fat, he never play like this without KG, P34, Ray-Ray but after some
years when they retired Powe can play without them, Baby no
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Post by findawgg on Jan 31, 2008 14:02:48 GMT -5
I disagree, I think you're short changing Big Baby's ability, Davis has skill at the PF position that is independent of his teammates. If Baby's hurdle is weight management, then beating that is simply a matter of desire. Baby is polished on the block, much more so then Powe in his first year, and in my opinion is still more polished in the box. Now with that said, I do think Powe will be the better player in 5 years because I'm not convinced Davis has the intestinal fortitude to get in great shape and maximize his potential.
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Post by eja117 on Jan 31, 2008 20:22:17 GMT -5
I think it will be harder for Powe to just stick in the league, whereas I think Baby already has made a bit of a name for himself and came in with a bigger name. Unfortunately sometimes I think GMs and coaches go with a popular guy over a better guy. I think this league is by far the worst league at evaluating talent. This is the league that invented pword and upside and tremendous upside pword and every other excuse for the Jonathan Benders and Kwame Browns and Darius Miles and Gerald Greens and a lot of other failures.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Feb 1, 2008 3:16:18 GMT -5
This is the league that invented pword and upside and tremendous upside pword and every other excuse for the Jonathan Benders and Kwame Browns and Darius Miles and Gerald Greens and a lot of other failures. Actually, Baseball is the king of PWord, its just that no one gives a rip about the baseball draft. Baseball is all about draft some 18 year old kid because one of your scouts thinks the kid will have plus speed and gap power in 4 to 5 years. |
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Post by eja117 on Feb 1, 2008 19:05:53 GMT -5
yeah but baseball has way more positions and has like 97 rounds. It's totally different.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 1, 2008 19:26:53 GMT -5
Powe has better post moves and has a better chance against taller competition because of his ridiculously long arms. Baby is better at taking his man off the dribble because he's got better lateral agility.
As an offensive threat, I think Powe has the upperhand. He's also a good rebounder and shot blocker. But Baby has something special about him that people love.
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Post by moreese on Feb 2, 2008 14:00:07 GMT -5
This is a great question for debate. I think it is possible that Powe could be a better "sexy" statistical player (mainly points and rebounds) than Baby because of his offensive rebounding ability and his relentless pursuit of the ball, which is helped by his large edge in conditioning over Baby. But outside of that is where this debate gets very lopsided. Big Baby is an extremely intelligent basketball player, on both sides of the ball. When you start to talk about defensive rotations, something that does not get statistically recorded, this is where Powe is dreadful at times and Big Baby is somewhat of a prodigy. The same goes on the offensive side of the ball. Big Baby is almost always in the right spot at the right time, making him very easy to play with offensively. Davis understands spacing a lot better than Powe. Leon just puts his hard hat on and attacks the bucket, which is fine, however his understanding of offense is clearly inferior to that of Davis. Powe is pretty much a weakside rebounder right now, although he has a chance to be a great one. Big Baby's hands are about as good as I've seen in a while, and his ability to make the catch in traffic and still find ways to finish when his body is being twisted like a pretzel, is very impressive. Both of them are power players, Powe definitely has the edge in rebounding because of his length and limited options otherwise, so he focuses on rebounding more. Other than that, Baby has a chance to be special, I think Powe can be a good player for many years, but I would put his potential bar well below Bib Baby's.
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Post by eja117 on Feb 2, 2008 14:39:14 GMT -5
One thing about this is that when two players are of equal talent the one that tries harder wins out. That's Powe, but I'm not sure they're equal talent. I'd pick Davis, but I'm not sure he won't wiggle himself out of the league like Antoine, who also ate himself out as I'm afraid Davis might do. I'm not afraid of either of those things like Powe.
I think Doc is just playing the hot hand of these two to see who is better.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 2, 2008 16:51:07 GMT -5
Moreese, I'm scratching my head on 2 things you've pointed out. 1), Powe is not primarily a weakside rebounder at this stage in his career. Powe has come up with rebounds in traffic many times by outjumping and outhuslting his counterparts. His timing is excellent as he grabs rebounds at the top of his jump. 2). While I will say that Baby shows more anticipation on the defensive rotatoins (he's consistently using his body to draw charges--sometimes it works, other times it doesn't), offensively, I think Powe shows just as much anticipation than Baby when it comes to sliding to the open spot and making themselves available. I just think that Baby has had more opportunities (playing time) to showcase this than Powe has.
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Post by Celtic17 on Feb 2, 2008 20:30:04 GMT -5
I didn't vote.
They could be nice Celts for many years, if things work out.
Right now I like the enforcer side of Powe and the hustle of Davis. They both have earned their time on the court.
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Post by moreese on Feb 4, 2008 23:50:52 GMT -5
Derrenmatts,
I would agree that Powe definitely has not had much of a chance to show us that he is more than just a blue collar player. By pointing out his weakside rebounding, it wasn't really a knock on him. He is very good at that, but that is also because it seems to be his main focus at this point. He hasn't appeared to be a big threat offensively, where as Big Baby I feel is.
On the defensive side of the ball charges aren't even what I'm really talking about. Powe is not a smart player, meaning playing the pick and roll and knowing when to help and when not to. He doesn't have great "basketball instincts." Big Baby on the other hand does, and this is why I think it will be very surprising if Powe becomes a better player. It is very similar to comparing Jefferson vs Garnett. Big Al is averaging more points and rebounds this year, and outside of obviously being on an inferior team, not much has changed in our opinions of who is and will always be the better player. The same reasons that I don't feel Powe's potential is as high as Baby's are with Garnett and Jefferson. Basketball IQ and defense.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Feb 5, 2008 2:06:23 GMT -5
From the low post, Powe has better offensive potential. Baby shows more potential in his offensive versatility.
Overall, Baby does have more to offer, as he is a smart player (no question here). Powe can be valuable because he's a meat and potato kind of player (scores in the post, rebounds).
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Post by beantown on Feb 5, 2008 18:58:55 GMT -5
I would have to say Leon Powe, for the simple fact that he is the more aggressive rebounder and a harder worker than Glen "Big Baby" Davis. I also think that Powe already is the better defender and is going to be the better offensive player if he keeps doing what he does. There is something about Glen Davis that tells me he is going to have attitude problems down the road.
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