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Post by meltinjohn on Apr 16, 2005 2:29:32 GMT -5
Andrew Bogut:
NBA Comparison: Vlade Divac
Strengths: Quite possibly the top player of his class...Has an NBA-ready game...Exceptional fundamentals...Always plays with a high level of intensity...Devastating drop-step...Can shoot jump-hook with either hand...McHale-esque footwork on the block...Very sharp mechanics on his jumper...Can shoot the ball out to 18 feet...Can handle the ball well for a 7-footer...Very creative in establishing his positioning...Shoots an incredibly high percentage from the floor (64% this season)...Unbelievable passer out of the double/triple-team...Stellar court vision...A monster on the glass...Possibly the best rebounder (offensive and defensive) in college basketball...Catches everything...Good one-on-one defender...Isn’t intimidated by anyone (in fact, he does most of the intimidating)...Condor wingspan...Improving on his help defense, which accounts for his higher shot-blocking numbers...A coach’s dream...About 10X better than he was last season (and he was no slouch as a freshman, either)...Exceptional lower body strength...Has dominated at the international level before committing to Utah..High mental/physical toughness...Doesn’t get rattled easily...Has plenty of upside remaining...The sky is the limit...Played well against Tim Duncan during the summer Olympics...
Weaknesses: Has put up terrific numbers in a lackluster conference (the Mountain West is far weaker in 2004-2005 than it has been in the past)...Will have to assume a high workload for one of the worst teams in the NBA next season...Questions to how he will react to being a high lottery pick after spending the last two seasons in relative obscurity...Lackluster lateral foot speed (but not as slow as some say he is)...Not an explosive leaper...Room for improvement at the free throw line...Decent in the open court, but not outstanding...Occasionally, falls in love with the same post move (simply because nobody in the MWC can defend him)...Will need to take his lumps against the Duncans, Garnetts, and Nowitzki’s of the world.
Notes: Parents are Croatian, raised in Australia, schooled in Utah. Mountain West Conference Freshman of the Year in 2004. Named MVP of the 2003 FIBA Junior World championships. Started for the Australian National Team in the 2004 Athens Olympics. Led the Utes to an 18-game winning streak in 2004-2005.
-Nick Prevenas 2/23/05
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Post by meltinjohn on Apr 16, 2005 2:31:26 GMT -5
Look at the weaknesses. This kid would have been a mid 2nd rounder in 1990. And if Divac is as far as he can go, I don't see him being a star. Just a good support player getting 12 and 8 or something.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 16, 2005 3:52:07 GMT -5
Meltin, you have got to be joking, right? What do you think Bogut is--a SG?
Lackluster lateral foot speed (but not as slow as some say he is)...Not an explosive leaper.
--C'mon, how many 7 footers do you know who are explosive. I assure you that Bogut has better lateral movement than your average 7 footer.
Room for improvement at the free throw line...Decent in the open court, but not outstanding...
--Again, is a Center supposed to be an 80% shooter from the FT line? And since when do Centers have to be good in the open court? Not even Shaq is a factor on fast breaks.
Occasionally, falls in love with the same post move (simply because nobody in the MWC can defend him)...
--Hey, if it ain't broken, why fix it? Actually, this report contradicts itself because in his Strengths, it says: ...Devastating drop-step...Can shoot jump-hook with either hand...McHale-esque footwork on the block...Very sharp mechanics on his jumper...Can shoot the ball out to 18 feet...
Bogut is an incredible scorer anywhere near the basket, whether he's facing the basket or not.
And why are you nitpicking about his weaknesses? His strengths far outweigh his weaknesses, but you make no mention about it.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 16, 2005 10:28:31 GMT -5
Did anyone read the quote from O'Connor - Utah Jazz, in regards to Bogut "disappearing" in the big games? I was 'whoah.' If I am Bogut, I mark Utah on my schedule!
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 16, 2005 11:36:26 GMT -5
Did anyone read the quote from O'Connor - Utah Jazz, in regards to Bogut "disappearing" in the big games? I was 'whoah.' If I am Bogut, I mark Utah on my schedule! Awesome!! ;D Hey Bogut, the Clippers called you a pansy. And the Hawks said you smell like cabage. And the Hornets think Gheorge Mhuresan has a better looking face than you do. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Apr 17, 2005 4:06:14 GMT -5
Meltin, you have got to be joking, right? What do you think Bogut is--a SG? Lackluster lateral foot speed (but not as slow as some say he is)...Not an explosive leaper.--C'mon, how many 7 footers do you know who are explosive. I assure you that Bogut has better lateral movement than your average 7 footer. Room for improvement at the free throw line...Decent in the open court, but not outstanding...--Again, is a Center supposed to be an 80% shooter from the FT line? And since when do Centers have to be good in the open court? Not even Shaq is a factor on fast breaks. Occasionally, falls in love with the same post move (simply because nobody in the MWC can defend him)...--Hey, if it ain't broken, why fix it? Actually, this report contradicts itself because in his Strengths, it says: ...Devastating drop-step...Can shoot jump-hook with either hand...McHale-esque footwork on the block...Very sharp mechanics on his jumper...Can shoot the ball out to 18 feet...Bogut is an incredible scorer anywhere near the basket, whether he's facing the basket or not. And why are you nitpicking about his weaknesses? His strengths far outweigh his weaknesses, but you make no mention about it. There will never be another McHale. Those days are done. His ft shooting is not a flaw I focused on. It was the first one. It was the big stats in a bad conference. Face it though, he will be a much more athletic Vlade or Z. Nothing better than that though. I would approximately guess his rookie numbers to be 11 and 8. and then his 2nd yr being 14-15 and 10 but I don't think you'll see much more out of him than that. His ceiling is high no doubt but still, there will never be another guy that is a white/euro aussie pf/c who will match what McHale was able to do. This is why you should stop dreaming about landing him. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 17, 2005 8:48:52 GMT -5
Under today's circumstances, I would agree there is not another coming of McHale. Why? Good players are leaving the college system as fr, soph, and jrs and this is the only place they are developing. Now, you can make the arguement that players are developed in the NBA, but "on the job" experience, aka the games, is not occuring, unless you are lotto pick on really really bad team.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 17, 2005 8:50:39 GMT -5
Derrren, that last comment about George, wow that was rough! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 11:32:56 GMT -5
I'm not sold on Bogut being the next McHale.
Unless he prove me wrong I don't he'll be any better than Vlade Divac.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 17, 2005 14:05:47 GMT -5
I just want to clarify what the scouter wrote, just to straighten out the comment about Bogut and McHale:
Can shoot jump-hook with either hand...McHale-esque footwork on the block...Very sharp mechanics on his jumper
Now, Meltin, I think you blew it out of context saying that, "there will never be another McHale". That is not what the writer is saying. He's saying that he has McHale-esque footwork. It's like saying so and so has excellent form on his jumper, like Jordan did. It doesn't mean he's the next coming of Jordan.
Another thing you are taking out of context is how I feel about Andrew Bogut. I never claimed he is the next great Center to play in the NBA. I do think he will be one of the better one's playing right now, some of it due to the lack of quality Centers in the game today. He is a very talented and coordinated big man, who is much more agile than Vlade and Ilgauskas, and much tougher in the post than Chris Mihm.
I don't view Bogut as the savior who will come in and take us to the promised land. I feel that he, along with Jefferson and Pierce, will be our 3 cornerstone players who can cement our chances of a dynasty. All 3 of them are capable scorers, and all three are solid rebounders at their positions with a natural feel for the game. I definitely feel that these 3 guys can cause a great deal of trouble for every team in the league.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 17, 2005 18:52:37 GMT -5
I think you said it best Derren, Danny needs to draft another "cornerstone player." Both his drafts have been excellent.
Though, I think Perks could be a cornerstone type of player, if only they would play him.
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Post by Celtic17 on Apr 17, 2005 20:37:59 GMT -5
Not saying Johnny is deep, but---- Do we want to start a thread about what Derren needs to know?  ;D ;D ;D It may never end... j/k DM / you know... |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 18, 2005 0:23:48 GMT -5
Not saying Johnny is deep, but---- Do we want to start a thread about what Derren needs to know? ;D ;D ;D It may never end... j/k DM / you know... Why I oughta   ;D ;D Good to see you back, C17. RR, Perkins has a chance to be a cornerstone player for us. But I see his potential more as a defensive specialist and rebounding force off the bench. I think if Bogut were to come to Boston, he'd move Perkins to the bench because he's more valuable offensively and is no slouch on defense or rebounding either. I think this allows Perkins to fill the best niche he can, which is a necessity for us. If Bogut doesn't come here, Perkins won't be a liability in the starting rotation. I still feel that after a lot of development, Perkins has a chance to be a starter for us and even be the starting Center when we win a championship. But I feel that we'll be stronger having him as a defensive stopper/rebounding force/enforcer off the bench, and our chances of building a dynasty is greater with him filling that role with Bogut starting at the 5. |
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Apr 18, 2005 1:43:26 GMT -5
I think if Bogut were to come to Boston, he'd move Perkins to the bench because he's more valuable offensively and is no slouch on defense or rebounding either. what? has perk left the pine? ;D |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Apr 18, 2005 3:58:46 GMT -5
what? has perk left the pine? ;D Not quite. If Bogut comes here, Perkins is cemented as our first big man off the bench. Because we don't have great players on the team, we are going to need more players who are above average offensively to make up for it. Duncan is a great player (or he should be by the time he retires) so the Spurs were able to win championships with guys like David Robinson, Mario Elie, Avery Johnson, etc. Shaq is a great player, but because he had Kobe (who is also going to be remembered as a great player when it is all said and done), the Laker Dynasty ranks higher than the dynasty the Spurs had. Anyways, back to Bogut--with him in the mix with Big Al and Paul Pierce, we have 3 players who should be offensive stars and they are the cornerstones of our team. Perkins' offensive abilities are probably not going to be as good as Bogut's and his defense is his calling card. So utilizing him in that role makes the most sense. I know I'm driving y'all nuts with all this Bogut talk. Frankly, I know he's not going to be an awesome player. All I know is that I really feel good about a possible trio of Bogut, Jefferson, and Pierce. Building our foundation on these three as our cornerstone players and surrounding them with excellent role players like Tony Allen, Ricky Davis, Delonte West, and Kendrick Perkins (and possibly Marcus Banks and Justin Reed) just makes so much sense to me. |
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