Would you trade Davis for Gomes?

[cfoo]

You almost had me chagne my vote but i still like our team. I'd think about it but i'd decline it. It's one of those trades not worth making, which would btie me in the (censored) if i made it because it is exactly that. Then i'd be emaling mchale 9 million times wanting davis back.

[eja117]

To me if you want to be a championship team you oughta have bench guys that produce every single nite and Davis doesn't do that. We only have two guys on the bench who do and then every nite it's like praying for one other guy and that would never happen with Gomes. He's just more productive. I think it's his 3rd or maybe 4th year. He was drafted with GG. Maybe Davis will reach his level or even surpass it but not for at least two years and by that time Gomes will be a little better too. It would be even more helpful when you consider it seems like the only guy on the team who can pass is Rondo. Gomes can pass much better than Davis. I'm also not convinced there's much drop off from Davis to Powe but presently there's a big one Gomes to Davis.
I'm not sure how great it is to have a 6ft 9 280lbs rookie backup center anyway. There comes a point of diminishing returns. You can't be like "Welllll I would trade Davis for Vince Carter, but we really need a center right now".

[cfoo]

I kind of think you are overrating Gomes. He's playing on a team that has 7 wins. Telfair is putting up nice numbers as well because he's getting a lot of time, but he didnt do (censored) here last year. I think you put davis on that team and his numbers take a big jump as well. He's a physical presence and he's a banger and it's not just about numbers. Would you trade Perk for Gomes because gomes has better stats? No way. Perk is a lot more valuable. I'm not knocking gomes either. I think he would do well here and it's pretty even, but again it's not necessarily a trade worth making. Gomes is going to be a free agent after this year. Why are we giving them Glenn Davis fora plyer who is going to be a free agent? Again this is more trading for the sake of trading when we dont need to...........................................................

Why not be patient with Davis and see what he can do, instead of trading him and then regretting it later on and get Gomes for free this offseason if we really want to?

[runrondo]

Gomes- 28min. 11.7ppg 5.3rpg
Baby 12min. 4.6ppg 2.9rpg

Baby is producing well and if Gomes had his minutes he'd have similar stats..


Your overrating Gomes' passing skills in my opinion..Gomes averages 27 minutes and dishes 1.3 apg while Big Baby averages 12 minutes and only averages .3 apg..But in his senior year in LSU he averaged 2.3 apg..Anyway, i agree Gomes is the better passer, shooter, and overall player but we would benefit from Baby rather than Gomes..With Posey in the second unit we're already very jumper orientated and Big Baby brings that interior pressure and idea to take it down low and PICK UP FOULS..While Gomes can score down low he likes to hang around compared to Baby who is always in the paint..And your right, Baby is very inconsistent but now with Powe showing up they both equal one consistent force off the bench..Baby can be hot one game then not play and let Powe show up leading to a consistent person off the bench..And you kill two birds with one stone because you develop both young guys and get a consistent big guy in the process off the bench..At least to me...

[cfoo]

Davis is better.

[eja117]

I hadn't thought about Gomes being a free agent. A big reason Davis isn't getting minutes is that he isn't good. You can say if Gomes was getting Davis' minutes he'd be doing about the same but that isn't going to happen cause Gomes is a much better player.

Right now Davis isn't anywhere near the player Perk was in Perk's third year despite being a year older. In Perk's 2nd year he got the same number of rebs in significantly less minutes per game as Davis.

Leon Powe averaged more rebs per game in less minutes than Baby in his rookie year, when he was a year younger than Davis is now.

Davis doesn't have a lot of pword and isn't a significant part of the future. We should trade him for something more useful while people still think he can be good and give his minutes to Powe, Pollard, or even Scala.

The bar was set so low on Davis as him maybe being another Tractor Traylor that we are relieved and are thinking back to his LSU days but Tyrus Thomas isn't doing that great either

[eja117]

I can't help but notice Davis got totally outplayed by Gomes and Powe tonite in every which way. Especially when you consider Gomes played against KG all nite.

Plus Gomes gets his stats in the west and Davis gets his in the east

[cfoo]

I still think you are jumping hte gun. Davis can play and isn't ths useless blob you are making him out to be.

[eja117]

he isn't useless. Guys that show up every once in a while aren't useless. I just prefer the guys that show up to play every single nite the way Gomes has from the second he stepped on the court.

[cfoo]

Its Davis's rookie year. What did you expect? Gomes didnt show up every night hs rookie year either. Like I said why are we trading Davis for Gomes when we can sign Gomes back if we really want to and see how Davis does and be patient with him? Why make a trad eyou might regret? 3 years from now and you put Davis on the wolves and he's doing the same thing Gomes is. GOmes plays 30 mpg on a really bad team, and is putting up 11 and 6. It's not this huge difference in talent like you are making it out to be.

[eja117]

It is a huge difference in consistency. And Gomes exploded onto the scene when Doc finally let him play. I'm not sure Davis will make the all-rookie 2nd team like Gomes did. Maybe he will.

I would agree if Gomes will be a free agent then we should trade him for something else. Maybe Sam Cassell or Kyle Lowry or Janerro Pargo or whatever we can get.

If the standard for a trade "you might regret" is a 4 point 3 reb 0 assist guy who is extremely inconsistent and weirdly sized (you can't really call him undersized) then I guess all trades are trades you might regret.

It's just that he isn't helping us much this season and it would be nice to have someone who would put us over the top. I think trading a future back up for that would be good.

Davis' ceiling is whatever the power forward equivalent of Perk is. Chuck Hayes? Etan Thomas? He's no Brandon Bass or healthy Sean May or anything

[cfoo]

It would be different if we needed more from Davis, but his role as it is with Posey and Powe, etc, all we need is for him to make a difference in stretches. We dont need him playing 30 mpg like Gomes is. We have Pierce and Garnett playing the position Gomes is basically playing on the timberwolves.

Later in the year if Davis isn't more consistant or Powe hasn't stepped into that role it would be different. Davis has done a good job so far for what we've needed him to do. We'd all ultimately like him to be more consistant at it but come playoff time he may be. Or powe might be doing that for us. We are basically workign with Davis so he is that ultimately. We are 40 games into his career. You want to trade him already lol.

[cfoo]

You are saying Powe is better and of course he is because he has a year under his belt. YOu are saying Gomes finally exploded onto the scene when doc allowed him to play. He's getting 30 mpg and averaging 11 and 6. I wouldnt exactly say that is an explosion. Davis is handtied right now and is only getting 12 mpg. He gets 30 mpg and he's putting up better numbers than gomes. He needs to work on his defense and his consistency first though. Gomes had to do the same thing. Same with Powe. It takes a little while to make that adjustment. IT's not so much about doc not letting htem play. It just happens they are ready when they do play why they do well when they do get teh time. Delonte etc. etc. Lok at any rookie in the league. You rarely see a rookie come into the league and play to his potential right away. It takes a little while to make the adjustment. EVen the Dwight Howards of the world had an adjustment period early in their careers.

We saw Minny play otu of their minds tonight. This is a team that has 7 wins...... Let's not get carried away. We are 34-7 and they are 7-35 and you want to be them? Regardless of how bright a future they may or may not have which I'm aware of. RIght now Minny is an inexperienced team that is going to be faced with a lot of decisions on who to keep and who not to keep just like we were. They have several players who are already going to be free agents this coming offseason, including Gomes.

[DERRENMATTS]

Glen Davis is going to get better. What we are seeing from him now is not going to be the norm in 3 years--he'll get better in that time.

Still, I'd caution people (not naming you CF, or anyone in particular) about Baby's overall ceiling. He most likely won't be a starter on a championship quality team. He will likely be a regular in the rotation and carve out a niche for himself.

[cfoo]

Gomes could be a starter on a very good team because he's a sf as well, whereas Davis is a potential 6th-9 guy. Gomes might have slightly more upside in numbers because of his versatility to go inside and out and do different things. But we need davis's large body moreso than gomes right now imo. Gomes's value isn't necessarily greater than Davis to this team. It's apples and oranges. Gomes has red flags as well. We are basically talking about a 4-7 guy and a 6-9 guy at this point in their careers. Do you want Eric williams or Rodney Rogers? Gomes may be a better version of Ewill ultimately because of his health and Davis might not be as good as Rogers if he doesnt expand his range but those are thigns we dont know right now.