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Post by eja117 on Dec 23, 2007 14:58:31 GMT -5
woah. what did he go to jail for? Upside? who doesn't have that? Well GP doesn't but he's not a good example
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Post by runrondo on Dec 23, 2007 14:59:47 GMT -5
Why do we need to sign a 6-7 forward? We need a backup point guard or a big man not a small forward...
and whoever said D-league is like high school basketball is right...Pruitt was lighting them up in the d-league but we still don't give him a chance to play quality minutes...
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Post by cfoo on Dec 23, 2007 15:04:31 GMT -5
We are scouting him so there is an obvious interest which they haven't shown in GP or BEst. Maybe we are just trying to improve our talent as best we can which may open up other moves around the trading deadline?
I don't understand this urgency and need for a pg right now. We are 20-3 lol. We don't "need" a backup pg right now...
If Ainge is smart he'd just try to improve our talent so we can put the best possible team out there come playoff time. Not 23 games into the season.
Let's rest on our laurels and sign a bunch of crap to fill holes. That's not productive management. That's filling holes and a losers mentality.
I'm not knocking GP or Cassell or BEst either. They are fine. They are there and they want to come here. There are 3 of them and I'm sure there are more. They aren't going anywhere. I'm sure we will get someone eventually.
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Post by runrondo on Dec 23, 2007 15:07:59 GMT -5
Well we're 20-3 and we're scouting Kedrick Brown i think it's safe to say we should be scouting PGS...But the ONLY WAY i see this go down is if they want to sign Brown just in case Tony allen gets hurt because think about it..At worst, Brown is an athletic defender who can shoot three. He'll be 10 months older than Tony Allen and still has that "upside"..Also, the only reason Brown couldn't stay in the league was because he ate is way out of it..he had a lousy work ethic and needed to mature so it's possible he has..
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Post by runrondo on Dec 23, 2007 15:11:24 GMT -5
I still think this team needs a PG..We got to sign a PG sooner or later so he can develop chemistry with the second unit and get our lineups straight..We shouldn't just wait till the last day before the playoffs to sign a PG...We won't beat Detroit in a 7 game series unless we get a PG..I'm not saying to sign GP but signing a veteran who could bring it up and pressure their PG like Rondo would be the best thing to help this team..If we sign Brown he'll stay on the bench for the whole game unless TA gets injured which in that situation he'd help or maybe we're working on a trade giving away TA or something..Anyway the best additions to this team to make it better is a big man(P.J. Brown, anyone that's half decent) or a PG(Cassell if we're lucky, lots of people want to be on this team)...
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Post by kofanis0880 on Dec 23, 2007 15:17:41 GMT -5
by the way we are 21-3, not 20-3, I have to give Doc his due.
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Post by cfoo on Dec 23, 2007 15:18:35 GMT -5
Am I wrong in thinking when you make moves based on need, you screw yourself more times than not? I don't think I am. I'd much this team take their time and hit their stride later in the year instead of settling. IT's much better to be patient and let things play themselves out.
Say we sign 2 free agents right now. 2 vets with limited ability at this point in their career. We get them under a guarenteed contract and someone better comes along later. Where does that put us? We just spent money for no reason when we could have done better.
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Post by cfoo on Dec 23, 2007 15:28:18 GMT -5
GP isn't going anywhere. He wants to play here. And if he does. So what. He's at a stage in his career where he is only able to see limited action anyways and signing him now and having him sit the bench and fill a roster spot so he can be rested for the playoffs is silly. Why not give someone like Kedrick a shot and if it doesnt pan out we go after someone then. If it does we then have trade bait in Allen or whoever to get a pg better than GP. TA is better than GP for the mst part anyways..
The whole reason we let Brandon Walalce go is because he wasn't ready to contribute right now. Maybe they will think Kedrck is after seeing him and if he is it makes sense. If he isn't then all of this is null.
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Post by cfoo on Dec 23, 2007 15:36:30 GMT -5
Another point for kedrick:
Maybe they are trying to get as many perimeter defenders as they can. We lost that game against Detroit not just because we couldnt handle their pressure. I said during the game, the two reasons we lsot the lead is because of turnovers and detroit was winning the game at the 3 pt line. They shot a much higher percentage than we did. The 3's kept them in the game adn ultimately they won on an outside shot because our perimeter defense wasn't what it should have been. Does GP help us with that? I doubt it.
I've noticed cracks in our defense around the perimeter. Last game Ben Gordon got a lot of open looks he shouldn't have because of lapses around the perimeter on defense. Ultimately defense wins so I can understand why the C's are focusing on shoring up the defensive side of things as well as thinking about getting a pg possibly.. Adding Kedrick and GP would make sense for that reason because it would fill two holes. The whole reason the C's said they are scouting him is for his perimeter defense which makes sense.
The C's currently have 3 roster spots I think. It would make sense to get a perimeter defender. Kedrick fits that mold. The pg and big man may be added as well.
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Post by runrondo on Dec 23, 2007 15:50:16 GMT -5
Here's what i hope: I hope the Danny is messing around with the idea to trade Tony for maybe Cassell or another PG and therefore signing Kedrick Brown would be his replacement...
"Am I wrong in thinking when you make moves based on need, you screw yourself more times than not? "
Your right, but Kedrick Brown isn't some allstar, we're not even sure how well he'll produce at the NBA level..You screw yourself when you settle for someone !!!GREENIAC!!! for a need when there's someone who's way better that could help..I'm not knocking Brown cause anybody is better than GP(lol) right now but Brown hasn't done anything in the NBA and it's kind of a big risk..I'd rather try to see what kind of big men we can get at least...Only way i want Brown is if we get rid of somebody else at the that guard/small forward position..
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Post by cfoo on Dec 23, 2007 19:23:23 GMT -5
Agreed. the only way I want Kedrick is if we scout him and determine he will help us and if we sign him I'm guessing it's a good pickup. It's hard to guage these guys when we can't watch the d-league. I don't buy the whole it's highschool crap either. Eja used the same argument with Yi and he scored 29 points last night. I just always liked Kedrick as a talent and I thought he just needed to play somewhere adn get some seasoning so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he does come back and contribute somewhere.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 23, 2007 20:23:22 GMT -5
One thing to remember is Danny is not just adding pieces for the current team. As Head of Operations, he's also in charge for building a winning team for the future. He could be looking at Kedrick Brown to replace James Posey--our current perimeter defender.
A player like Posey is a perfect guy to have on the bench. A player who can defend, hit three's, and do a bit of slashing to the basket. I haven't seen Kedrick since he left Boston, so I'm not sure if he's capable of doing this for us. But as Ainge scouts him, I hope he gets a good feel for Kedrick's potential to fill Posey's role.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 23, 2007 21:27:25 GMT -5
Here was my gripe about Kedrick back in the day. Whereas he has really nice athletic ability, he was an athlete more than he was a basketball player. He could hit jumpers when his feet were set and if the stage was set perfectly, he could sky in for highlight dunks. But his problem (as it is for Gerald Green) is being able to do damage when the defender is guarding you. All good basketball players have counter moves to go to when defenders block your initial move. You drive to the basket on the right, and if the defender is playing you well, you instinctly go to your counter move (whether it be spinning to the middle of the lane, or pulling up for a quick stop and pop, or pump faking to draw the foul, etc.). Guys who don't have this ability will pick up their dribble and look for the pass out. But good players know how to score even when their first and second options are cut off.
kedrick didn't show me that he had a sharp basketball mind, like knowing what to do and where to be. He seemed like a reactory player rather than a proactive player.
If he's improved these things, and he proves to Ainge that he's a much better player than the one Ainge traded away in '03, then yeah, I'd like to see him given a chance here again.
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Post by birdie on Dec 24, 2007 9:52:47 GMT -5
if DA don't sign backup PG is the dummest man on the earth, and all of those who think, Rondo will be good in playoffs, Nelson, OK there are many guards like him so even I will score at least 10-15 on him, but with gurads like Kidd, Nash, Parker, Baron, Billups, Williams he will look stupid in the playoff game when everyone of these guays will cruch him, when you play every game like is your last, they will take him for breakfast, and he will make 10+ TO a game
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Post by Roadrunner on Dec 24, 2007 13:06:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Danny trades an Allen (tony), w/ Powe, etc for a PG.
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