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Post by meltinjohn on Mar 20, 2005 4:16:29 GMT -5
Now some people may say this kid has all the tools to be a superstar but I just don't see it. I even heard someone go so far by saying he is a poor mans Duncan.
I highly doubt he will be anywhere near that. I say hes another Mihm or Kaman maybe. Centers are a dying breed. I don't expect a lot of special things from this kid. He is in #1 pick talks which is possible but hes also very likely to go to Utah as well. What do you all know about Andrew Bogut?
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 20, 2005 4:24:20 GMT -5
Andrew Bogut may not turn out to be the next Duncan, or a superstar, but he is better than Kaman and Mihm, even at this point. The kid is a bit quicker than Mihm and he is more coordinated than Kaman. His hands are incredible and he's a strong rebounder. He's got excellent footwork and he plays with more intensity and desire than either of them.
Bogut does deserve to be the #1 pick. He has the goods to be an excellent post player. Even as a shot blocker, he's pretty good--he's an underrated shot blocker and defensive player. At times, I want to compare him to Olajuwon--but that wouldn't be fair to him.
If we could somehow move up to get Bogut, I'd like that a lot. This kid is going to go places and I hope he doesn't go to a team where his talents will be wasted, much like how Okafor went to Charlotte, or Brand going to the Clippers. Elton Brand should have had a much more visible career, but being in CHI when they were in the dumps and now in Clipper-land, seems like his career has been a waste because he never got the publicity.
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Post by meltinjohn on Mar 20, 2005 21:21:23 GMT -5
Although if Bogut gets picked by the bobcats, they will have a great frontcourt. Okafor wouldn't look to be on such a bad team forever if so. Chances are, they'll stay with Brezec and draft Chris Paul or something.
Now if Bogut goes to the jazz, he could help make them into a contender or a more rejuventated team. Now he could probably live up to what Raef was when he first entered the league as a 16, 10 and 2 type guy only this could stay consistant unlike Raef when he first entered the league. People thought Raef had everything it took to be a great center as well. Sometimes you can't believe hype because look at where Raef is now. On Boston, overpaid and had major scoring decreases in Dallas and he got worse here and doesn't have much of an inside game.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 20, 2005 22:50:26 GMT -5
The difference, though, is that Raef came into the league being known as a big man who could shoot the three's and not much of an inside game. Bogut is known as a big man prospect with excellent post play. He's a truer Center than Raef was projected to be. He's quicker and more agile than Raef and has just as good shot blocking instincts (remember that Raef was annually among the top shot blockers in the league).
Charlotte would be crazy to pass up on Bogut. A front court of Bogut and Okafor will absolutely be the envy of the league. They don't necessarily need to go after Chris Paul because 1) Brevin Knight is doing a fine job manning the PG spot for them, and 2) there are quality PG's who will be available later in the draft. Paul is a good PG, but Bogut is of higher value.
Meltin, would you do a sign and trade with Charlotte that gives them Antoine and our 1st round pick in exchange for Bogut and another player/pick?
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Post by meltinjohn on Mar 22, 2005 1:01:56 GMT -5
I do not know. I say yes and I say no. Will Bogut bring leadership like Antoine? If so, I would be for it. Highly unlikely a team would agree to it though. And there are better pg's in the later part of the draft and Jarrett Jack could be a bust or a ballhog for an earlier pick for all we know. Paul wouldn't be the wisest choice especially after what he did. If I was the charlotte gm, I would want the sure thing. Chances are pick 1 will fall to Utah though.
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Post by Rondo to Posey on Mar 22, 2005 2:05:05 GMT -5
To quote someone I forget who...Andrew Bogus...
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Post by BCHISTORIAN on Mar 22, 2005 2:23:53 GMT -5
Chances are pick 1 will fall to Utah though. ;Dour own conspiracy theorist? ;D |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 22, 2005 3:52:36 GMT -5
I do not know. I say yes and I say no. Will Bogut bring leadership like Antoine? If so, I would be for it. Highly unlikely a team would agree to it though. And there are better pg's in the later part of the draft and Jarrett Jack could be a bust or a ballhog for an earlier pick for all we know. Paul wouldn't be the wisest choice especially after what he did. If I was the charlotte gm, I would want the sure thing. Chances are pick 1 will fall to Utah though. I think Bogut is a fiery type of guy in his own right, but I'm sure he won't command the respect and the attention from Pierce (and Blount) as Walker can. There's just something about Toine that makes guys listen to him, even if they don't necessarily like him. In a way, he's like a mind controlling bully. He's the type of bully who'd make you be his friend and do all sorts of bad things with him, even if you don't want to be his friend. Bogut and Jefferson would be a terrific frontcourt tandem and the chemistry with Allen and Delonte and the others would be nice. But I don't see Pierce bending over backwards following Bogut. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Mar 23, 2005 22:52:54 GMT -5
Bogut at best I say will be like Z or Kaman. Maybe more desire than the 2 but thats all that will be different.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 24, 2005 3:24:29 GMT -5
Bogut at best I say will be like Z or Kaman. Maybe more desire than the 2 but thats all that will be different. I say more like McHale or Cowens. But that's just me. |
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Post by meltinjohn on Mar 24, 2005 23:28:29 GMT -5
Yea its just you. There will not again be a great white hope type player that will live up to hype unless its imagination. Especially not in centers. Its even debatable if Hinrich can live up to Stockton let alone Bogut to Mchale or Cowens.
Googs and Laettner back in 1992 were supposed to be the next great white hopes and even back at that time, it had a much better chance of happening than now and even that failed once Googs and Laettner went down and never got back up to being 20 and 10 players and just became role players.
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Post by Celtic17 on Mar 24, 2005 23:39:49 GMT -5
That's just too funny John... LMAO ;D |
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Post by meltinjohn on Mar 25, 2005 0:21:41 GMT -5
What be so funny about it?
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Post by Celtic17 on Mar 25, 2005 0:40:22 GMT -5
What be so funny about it? The dry humor if that's what it was...? " Yea its just you. " Read what Derren posted before you.  |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Mar 25, 2005 2:50:47 GMT -5
Yea its just you. There will not again be a great white hope type player that will live up to hype unless its imagination. Especially not in centers. Its even debatable if Hinrich can live up to Stockton let alone Bogut to Mchale or Cowens. Googs and Laettner back in 1992 were supposed to be the next great white hopes and even back at that time, it had a much better chance of happening than now and even that failed once Googs and Laettner went down and never got back up to being 20 and 10 players and just became role players. Not sure who you consider "white", but if you consider Europeans "white", then Dirk Nowitzki should be a great white hope. Or how about Steve Nash? Peja Stojakovic? |
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