Trade TA?

[cfoo]

This has been somethign i've been hearing from c17 and I've been mulling it over because i think he has a point. Although I'm going to take it a step further. I honestly believe Gabe Pruitt may take TA's spot in the rotation as that multidimensional guard. If we could package TA and Scal for a good big man, 6th man type to come off the bench, would you do it? We'd still have House, Posey to man the guard spots for now. The thing is Pierce and RAy are going to be getting 35-40 minutes a game so that only leaves 20 minutes for Posey anyways. How is TA going to get time except in limited spots? Did we play TA 40+ minutes in a preseason to show he is healthy to trade him?

This is also not a knock on TA as a player I think he is our best scorer off the bench, and I hate to trade him, but what really is his role on this team if we have Pierce and Allen and Posey? Couldn't he serve us better as a trade asset to get a big man?

[DERRENMATTS]

While I like TAllen a lot, I will not cry over trading him if it improves our roster. That's the name of the game, and if it will help us to get closer to the trophy, we should at least look at it. But it has to be for a young player in return. I don't want to move Tony for an aging veteran who will have no use in 3 years. TAllen can be a big part of our future.

[cfoo]

Well thats the thing. We have DAvis who may grow into that and we can play the waiver wire to get a big man that can help as well. It's not really necessarily but I thnk it would be more a guy that can help us now and later. I'm in no rush to trade Tony either and it might not be necessary and it's kind of give and take. Do we trade Tony and wait for PRuitt to develop and go with Posey and House and be pretty thin after that, and just be happy with Scal, Powe, Pollard and Davis. It's not necessarily necessary.

Say we can trade TA for a big man that can help us and we sign someone like Dixon like you said who can fill in for Pruitt in the interm. It's kind of like apples and oranges. It also depends on Pollards health. If Pollard isnt going to do it we might have to make a trade like this.

[fan33]

I too like the potential with more play time,and depth T.A. has for us coming off the bench; Although, as trade value, I sure hope his contract is on the table in exchange for a backup BIG; As well, in a package deal, Scal also, perhaps. After tonights fine showing, I'm only concerned with a backup center, really. Rondo seems to be able to play the role delt him, pushing it less than his natural tempo, as an assist playmaker, IMO...

Tough call on trading T.A., of course. Also as has been said, I'd hate to trade away the future(T.A.), for an old veteran center, who actually may not even play due to Perks quick development and his relative youth... Though I do think a solid 12 minute contributing Big must be on managements shopping list...

[cfoo]

Well we are talking about needing another big man. If Davis keeps playing like he has and Pollard comes back and does what he can there is what we need right there. A trade might be unnecessary.

[findawgg]

If a package like that can be put together and done, so be it. I like Tony, and I think he is a tremendous player, I have serious questions about the space between his ears and how his knee will hamper him. The problem is I don't see a deal for a legit sixth man as being possible. Because nobody knows how his knee will fair or how it will ultimately affect his game and because he is a little aloof, Tony has more value to the Celtics than he does on the trade market. As such I don't see Boston realistically putting a Scal/TA deal together for a sixth man type on a championship caliber team.

--Fin

[findawgg]

cf00 said:

Well we are talking about needing another big man. If Davis keeps playing like he has and Pollard comes back and does what he can there is what we need right there. A trade might be unnecessary.

I agree, but Pollard is unreliable. With Butler and Howard no seemingly available I wouldn't mind Boston getting their hands on either one to help shore up the front court. A trade may not be necessary, but based on recent history and the relative lack of depth at the 5 a move should be made.

--Fin

[DERRENMATTS]

But lets not rush into any trades that will make us lose Tony. TAllen could become a fantastic player--he's already shown in flashes over the course of his 4 years here that he can add a lot of versatility and excitement. His knee seems to be getting better, and with confidence that his knee is recovered, he can go back to being the exciting player he was last year.

If we are to trade him, I only ask that it be for a young player in return.

[findawgg]

derrenmatts said:

But lets not rush into any trades that will make us lose Tony. TAllen could become a fantastic player--he's already shown in flashes over the course of his 4 years here that he can add a lot of versatility and excitement. His knee seems to be getting better, and with confidence that his knee is recovered, he can go back to being the exciting player he was last year.

If we are to trade him, I only ask that it be for a young player in return.

I don't think that is an unreasonable request. It would only make sense to get youth in return.

--Fin

[DERRENMATTS]

I think we need to start adding pieces for our future. We may have a very strong supporting cast--such as Baby, Powe, Perk, Pruitt (Rajon should be more than just a supporting player), etc, so getting good players for the future is important.

[FLCeltsFan]

derrenmatts said:

I think we need to start adding pieces for our future. We may have a very strong supporting cast--such as Baby, Powe, Perk, Pruitt (Rajon should be more than just a supporting player), etc, so getting good players for the future is important.

I agree, Derren. If we don't add some pieces with an eye toward the future, in 3-5 years when KG, PP and RA are fading then we will be back at the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch up again and I dont really want to go through that. If Danny wisely picks free agents and drafts well, we could move on from the KG era without a huge drop off

[DERRENMATTS]

Right, and that's why I never get tired of keeping up with the draft boards. Even though the draft is not going to be a popular thing for Celtics fans anymore (seeing how we will probably have late round picks), I'm still scouring over college players, keeping an eye out for who we'd be blessed to have.

The Trilogy won't last forever, and if we want to avoid another 2 decades of futility, Ainge needs to make sure we aren't void of good talent when the Trilogy leaves us.

As of right now, the young players who have talents to be stars are Rajon and TAllen.

[Roadrunner]

Allen needs to prove he can be good (like the start of last year) for an 82-game season, plus playoffs.

[DERRENMATTS]

roadrunner said:

Allen needs to prove he can be good (like the start of last year) for an 82-game season, plus playoffs.

Right you are. Right now, all he's proved is that he has the "potential" to be a borderlline star level player (maybe a coach's pick to fill out the All-Star roster). Same with Rondo.

I think if we hope hard enough, Baby will develop a higher vertical and longer arms, in which case I think he'd also be included with Rajon and Tony as our potential star level players.

[cfoo]

I'd agree with that on athletic potential. Rondo, Baby and Allen have the most versatility and athleticism to be borderline stars. People dont think Big Baby is athletic but I think he is very athletic if he keeps his weight down and gets a solid outside shot. Not an Antoine shot but a Rodney Rogers type shot from midrange, where he can stick it when he's open. I really would like to see Davis become a more inside version of Rodney Rogers. I also think Perk although he isn't as gifted athletically as those guys are, or as versatile, is borderline that as well. I think people dont consider Perk that because he is big but for his size Perk is a prettty gifted athlete. Just not offensively. But he can get his if he works on his game. Perk surprises me sometimes.. Perk and Posey are similar in that regard although I think Perkins is more valuable. I think Perkins value to this team is huge and it shows when he isnt in the game.