Rumor: Pierce for Kobe

[cfoo]

The chances of tis happening are slim. But a lot of people also thought the Garnett trade would never happen. So who knows. It would be kind of ironic though considering AInge when he was hired said on TNT that he was going to trade for Kobe. He was joking at the time but i'm sure they will play that clip if he does.

[eja117]

If this happens I will be hoping the Celts get beat by a lot of underdogs and especially the Wolves and Lakers.

There has to be a limit and this is it. I don't root for jerseys. I root for the guys inside them and if they sell out by putting a piece of crap like him in our jersey i am gonna freak. I can't feel dirty like I need a shower every time I think of my own team. This is messed up.

[cfoo]

If it were to happen I would feel more badly for pierce. That's all part of the business and why they make millions of dollars. You can be traded at any time pretty much and there really is no loyalty. It's a business and if it is you kind of have to put the best product out on the court that you can. I know I sound evil saying this stuff too, but you cant really not make a deal because of little timmy who's like say it aint so..... You know how many people would buy tickets to see kobe play? They'd pay to see because they'd be really good. So it's not really evil in that regard. It's putting the best team you can out there.

You or I dont know Kobe personally anyways and you cant really judge teh guy. You can say you dont like him, but I've known people i didn't like at first and got to know them and they are dedicated people. Danny Ainge hated Doc Rivers before he sat down and got to know him. Some people are just ultra competitive and rub people the wrong way sometimes and Kobe is kind of like that.

All I'm saying there is a right way to do something like that and a wrong way and if DA was like screw the fans and the people who love pierce and question kobe as a person, was disrespectful and insensitive to pierce and the fans and said hey paul we are shipping you to the lakers, that would be another story. If he also didnt do his research on kobe as a person thats also another thing. But I'm sure if he ever made the deal he would be very respectful of that kind of stuff. You can turn your back on the fans and a guy like Paul and alienate them and I don't think DA would do something like that.

Another example when Jerry Jones took over for the cowboys he was completely disrespectful to Tom Landry and the fans and Landry was a cowboy legend. Landry basically found out he was fired on TV. That is the wrong way to do that. Later on Jones made amends and paid tribute to landry because he knew what he did was wrong. Landry was upset about being fired but he was more upset at the disrespect. Was Jimmy Johnson a better person and more loyal to the cowboys than Landry? Probably not, but he was a better coach for the team at that particular time. I think Antoine Walker kidn of felt the same way when he was traded. Once he came back and was paid tribute he was ok with it.

All I'm saying is there isa responsible way of making a trade like that and a not so responsible way, and I think if it ever happened DA would do his research and be very sensitive to all that kind of stuff.

[eja117]

I wouldn't mind disrepectfully trading PP for Duncan or Lebron. I'd mind respectfully trading for a player that would guarantee we not only don't win a championship but that everyone ends up mad at each other and the whole team having to start over again. If Kobe wants to cripple his career off the court that's up to him. But he already crippled a championship dynasty. We shouldn't be so eager to wish for the same thing.

[Roadrunner]

I think Simmons coined him as the "black mamba." In other words, a snake.

[cfoo]

He has 3 rings and he did that with Shaq. Here he'd have GArnett and Allen. I dont see how we wouldnt win championships. Bill simmons is also very trendy. He tells people what they want to hear for the most part. I'm not saying kobe is a great guy but I do think he is ultra competitive. Ainge is also that way and has been misconstrued that way. I'm not comparing the two, but I do think Kobe is competitive. What his motives are are another story. I think he's selfish and all of that. You don't have to like the guy is the thing. I just think people get too wrapped up in whether or not you like a guy. A lot of Jordan's teammates hated his guts. not comparing the two but the point is the same. These are professional athletes and they dont need to like each other. Chemistry is important but I think it's also overrated as far as liking a guy. You can have great chemistry on the court and hate someone's guts.

Anyways I think the chances of this happening are slim to none. I think Ainge is a guy who would actually really consider it, but I think ownership would step in because they have so much invested in Pierce at this point. I honestly think the ballsy thing to do would be to pursue something like that and just see where it goes. For all we know Kobe has way too much issues and it might not be worth it anyways. It's a different situation then Garnett because Kobe is such a controversial figure. This is why I dont think it will happen.

Another thing to keep in mind is I tend to think he ends up if not with the lakers then the Bulls or Detroit or NY even. Which we'd have to deal with which might not be in our best interest. The Lakers will most likely not trade him in conference. You have a Bulls team with Kobe and suddenly our road isnt as easy. It will be fun to have to up against that and beat that and we still are probably the better team but it does complicate things.

[CelticsLoyalist]

Never thought I'd say this but.....

If PP goes to LA, I will officially be a Lakers fan and dump the C's. I could never respect a team that makes a huge lapse in judgment like that!

FU@K Kobe!!

[DERRENMATTS]

Hey guys, I know emotions may be rising a bit, but we must remember that there are young kids reading our posts--VI is still a high schooler ;D

Any hoot, I hear both sides of the argument, and see valid points from both sides, and as of right now I'd rather stick with what we have. I think Pierce deserves a shot at winning a title with our team, since he has endured so much in his 10 years in Boston.

BUT, if this trade unexpectedly goes down, what an amazing talent we will be getting in return. Kobe is far from being a player a cheer for, but his basketball talents are off the charts. Dislike him as I might, I cannot deny his greatness.

Here's how I'm looking at it. If Ainge makes this trade (again, we don't know if this is really real), he must see, in his own eyes, that Kobe makes us better. There's no way Ainge will make this trade to sell more jerseys or sell more seats. He knows how much of a fanbase Pierce has in Mass. And he knows that Kobe is the heart of our arch enemy--the LA LAKERS. The only way Ainge will ever make this trade is if he thinks our chances of winning championships are better with Kobe.

[freshnthehouse]

It is def. something to ponder, that's for sure. jf we didnt have to give up much more than just Pierce, we become the frontrunners to win the title. Kobe is unbelievable. I'm not the biggest fan of the guy (but I sure dont have the hate for the guy like most people have), but we would be crazy good with him. there is a pretty big gap between Pierce and Kobe.

But man, would that be a cold thing to do to Pierce. I'm not a guy that really gets attached to a player, but that would be cold-blooded. If it was Allen that was traded, it'd be a diff. story. But PP has been here a while.

But you can look at it this way. Pierce himself said that he'd "pull a kobe" if we hadnt made serious veteran upgrades this summer. So basically Pierce said he wouldve thrown the Celtics under the bus to improve his situation. This trade would be the opposite of that.

What it comes down to is how much does winning mean to you? because if we got Kobe, we'd be a better team. Get a top 5 player who is ready to redeem himself would send this team to through the stratisphere. But would it be worth it if we had to get rid of Pierce?

If it did happen (which its not. This whole idea is ridiculous), I would still root for the C's as much as ever. I follow the name on the front of the jersey, not the back. I'd root for Kobe just as much as I'd root for anyone else in the Green and White.

If anything, it gives us something to talk about in the pre-season.

[eja117]

I don't even care that this would be by far the single most evil trade in all of sports history from a loyalty perspective. PP may have said he'd pull a Kobe but he had more than put in his dues to be able to say that. Kobe hasn't even put in his dues to pull a Kobe. When you kick the best player off your team and the single reason your team won a few championships you might want to stick with your team.

Let's look at these 4 players for a second.
Kobe, TMAC, Stephon, Artest. What's the difference between them? The 8th seed and no seed. Steph and Artest can't get their teams into the playoffs. Kobe and TMac can't get out of the 1rst round. At least TMac said "It's on me."
Kobe has had zero success since Shaq left. He's no Lebron.

Kobe is the new Ewing Theory poster child.

This is what happens if we get Kobe. Pp goes to the Lakers. They are horrid for a year. PP is upset but deals with it. They go to the lottery and get a top 5 player. The next year they get a top 10 player. After that Bynum and Jordan Farmer are pretty good and with Odom, PP, Bynum, Farmer, Walton, and some help from the top picks they get to the 2nd round and are well on their way. Unfortunately PP get's old and his team tops out late in the playoffs.

We start fast out of the gate but after 2 months Kobe is pissed he's being outscored by KG. The next nite Lebron dunks on his face and the final shot goes to Ray Allen who misses the shot. Kobe tells reporters "Maybe coming to this freezing racist town was a mistake. I mean when have I ever not taken the final shot in a close game. You gotta get the ball to the star and win or lose with him. There's a reason I have two rings and Ray Allen doesn't."

KG says nothing.

The next nite amid rumors that Tony Allen and Kobe had a scuffle at practice Doc has no idea what to do and has KG come off the bench. KG refuses to enter the game. Doc and DA get a good 2 for one deal with a local therapist.

Boston media goes nuts

The next nite KG hits the winning shot. He says "We won the game. That's all that matters"

The next nite Kobe passes the ball the entire game and goes for zero points for the first time in his career. When asked why he did so he says "Other people were open".

The next day Doc has Ray Allen come off the bench. This works fine except that Tony Allen uses the opportunity to score 17 points. Kobe is seen sulking and in an argument with Doc.

All three players state everything is fine, except that field goal percentages are down and the team is simply underachieving.

The next nite Kobe goes for 75 points in a loss to the Knicks. Steph scores 35 and is heard saying "Oh my God I think I get it now". For the first time since his rookie year Ray Allen doesn't hit a three and KG goes for 12 and 9 for the first time in his career. Kobe seems visually pleased and says "Well my teammates weren't playing well so I had to try to do something to step up"

Boston media says Kobe just isn't getting it

Doc actually benches Kobe for an unspecified team infraction. Kobe refuses to enter the game.

The next day KG demands a trade as does Kobe and Ray says he's willing to go if needs be.

We end up trading KG for Jason Kidd, and a conditional 2nd round draft pick. DA tells everyone he's excited about the pick.

The Celts squeak into the playoffs and lose to the upstart Knicks in the first round.
Kobe complains all summer and denies demanding to be traded which he did three times publicly and 32 times privately.

Kobe and Big Baby are arested at a strip joint. Kobe is ordered to perform community servce but refuses to do so. Before he sentenced he is caught soliciting a hooker who was actually an undercover cop.

At his press conference he cries and says "I have committed attempted adultery". He buys a $30million dollar emerald ring for his wife. She divorces him 2 weeks later. Kobe goes to jail.

Kidd's contract runs out and goes to the Nets. Ray Allen says "One more year and I am outta here"

We're in the lottery and Derren is excited cause we have a 6% chance at winning the lottery which he thinks will allow us to draft a 6ft 11 19 year old center out of Warizistan whose upside is tremendous. "He could be the next Darko" he tells us. Fresh says I hope not. Derren proceeds to tell us how Darko was used incorrectly for 5 years.

Sorry but no thanks. The Lakers can keep Kobe.

Kobe will not ever get out of the 1rst round of the playoffs again. What part of this was unrealistic? None. None of it. Not one sentence.

[cfoo]

That was a great read EJA, but I disagree. I think we would be a dynamic team with Kobe. I think the type of player he is, he would fit in great. AGain these are professional athletes. I think KG and Ray Allen would be fine handling Kobe. Garnett, Kobe, Allen talentwise is the perfect combination imo. Do I think it will happen and do I think its necessary? Probably not. But if we are trying to be the best team we can it would be pretty exciting to watch a team like that.

For me I'm coming from the perspective that I don't give a (censored) if I like a guy or not and anyone who is a professional and wants to win would think the same. For that reason I think this team would win and win big with someone like Kobe. If guys are going to get caught up in personal differences and it affects their play on the court, they don't deserve to win anyways. We are talking about KG and Ray Allen here. These guys are consumate professionals and want to win. I highly doubt anything like that would ever happen. It would be like Kobe being Kobe imo. Same as Manny being Manny.

Stuff like that just bugs me. If we are that weak a team where kobe is going to come in and ruin kg and ray allen, and make Danny Ainge start suddenly making ridiculous trades and Doc rivers is running around not knowing what to do, I just think that's laughable. KG and Ray Allen dont deserve to win if they are that weak minded. We are the Boston Celtics. If you want to go root for someone else, please do.

[cfoo]

Anyways the chances of this happening are slim to none, but if Pierce is really all about the celtics and team and whats best for the celtics, and the name on the front. Say the celtics decide that what is best for the celtics is to trade for kobe, he'd understand that if he is a team guy. Otherwise he's about Paul Pierce and what he wants. If this is truly a team sport and the Celtics are a team they do what is best for the team, regardless of if it's keeping paul or getting kobe. I'm not saying gettign kobe is necessarily best, but not to pursue and see would be stupid. I just think it's interesting that people say Kobe isnt a team player and then say you are going to root for another team and wouldn't root for the celtics if they had kobe or traded pierce, and the celtics decided that is what is best and gives us the best chance to win. If Pierce or whoever is upset about that, then that's just fraudulant.

[DERRENMATTS]

Kobe is a fantastic team player, when his mind is set on being one. He showed that this summer in the FIBA tournament when he fit in well with the NBA's star players.

Any way you cut it, there's no argument out there that's going to be conclusive as to which would be the best move to make. Kobe is the better basketball talent, while Pierce is the homegrown talent. IMO, our chances of winning are better with Kobe in place of Pierce. But as far as a feel-good-story, of course having Pierce stick with the team and win a title is a better story.

[eja117]

cf00 said:

That was a great read EJA,.

But wait. There's more!

Kobe's handlers notice his wife signed the divorce papers while wearing the emerald ring. They also realize they have a month before he is sentenced so they decide he should go on the talk show circuit.

First up...Oprah. He jumps up and down on the couch yelling "I love me! I love me! I love me!"

For the first time ever Oprah is heard to say "I think you need to find Dr. Phil"

Dr Phil says "You have a problem" Kobe says "You listen up and you listen good baldie fat azz. I do not have the problem. The world has a problem."

For the first time ever Dr Phil is heard saying "You need to find Jesus".

Kobe goes to jail and meets his roomate who says "My name is Bull. You can be my (censored)" Kobe says "You listen to me (censored). I ain't never been a (censored). I have always been the best on my team or in the room." Kobe proceeds to rape Bull and then contracts an STD and dies.

In the afterlife he says to Jesus "What the Hell did I do to deserve this? All I did was score and play better than everyone else. This is totally unfair. Life is fair and so is the after life!"

Jesus says "I agree" and Kobe wakes up in Hell. Satan says "Ooo ha ha ha er um...oh it's you. Damn."

Kobe demands to be traded to Heaven for St Paul and a draft pick.

Satan says "Can't do it.", but immediatel gets on the phone and calls God. He says "I'm not equipped to handle this. This is ridiculous" God says "You are authorized to hand out the ultimate punishment"

Satan turns around and says "Kobe we ain't joking around any more. This is it. You better start chillin out. There are worse places than Hell you know"

Kobe says "Screw you Satan. I got Shaq kicked out of LA and I get you kicked out of Hell"

Satan says "that's it. To New Jersey with you." TRight before he gets teleported to Jersey Kobe says "I don't want to play for the Nets! Nooooo!"

[eja117]

Chief I am just curious. Since Kobe destroyed one championship franchise what makes you think he won't destroy us? Do you think he has learned his lesson or something?