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Post by DERRENMATTS on Sept 28, 2007 14:21:30 GMT -5
Man, I really don't want to step either way on this topic. I wish I would have seen him play in the FIBA games, or even when he was with the Hawks so at least I'd have something to base my opinion on--but I didn't. I really know nothing of this guy, other than stats that may, or may not, be an accurate measure of his potential.
Are we as Celtics fans, overhyping this young big man? I mean, I'm reading over at Celticsblog how Batista has tremendous upside potential, and how he's going to solidify our backup spot and all that. But is this really the case, or are we jumping the gun here and overhyping this guy?
If his upside was that good, wouldn't every team in the league have been trying to land him?
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Post by Global Celtic on Sept 28, 2007 16:22:53 GMT -5
I just watched some videos of Uruguay against Panama, Argentina and USA in the America's tournament last summer. And i can tell you two things: he doesn't seems to be a true center at the moment, more of an active and physical PF (altough he can develop into a bit undersized center by working with guys like Clifford Ray and Thom Thibodeau); he sure is a good rebounder, with some good moves in the paint. He can be a good pair for KG if Perks doesn't keeps up. Search for "FIBA Uruguay" on the Youtube and check for yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2007 19:05:44 GMT -5
i dont think its overhype. he is just a role player. if he turns into something more then great. he doese have some upside. i think his rebounding is excellent. thats it. as far as his scoring performance in FIBA, well the competition from the tourney is far from NBA level. So with that, i think batista was a good sign because we neeed depth at the 5 spot. Batista will be the 2nd or 3rd option after perkins.
But i have been saying this alll along right after the big 3 was put together. Powe, perkins and rondo will have break out years thanks to the big trio.
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Post by Celtic17 on Sept 28, 2007 20:33:35 GMT -5
Sound like a project that might get 10-15 minutes on a good day (if he plays). 2008-9 might be different. Could the kids go to the NBDL?
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Post by Roadrunner on Sept 28, 2007 21:39:17 GMT -5
The guy averaged 2-2 for the 'hawks last year. Would be surprised to see the Celtics keep him for the long haul.
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Post by cfoo on Sept 28, 2007 22:36:51 GMT -5
I dont know if it's overhype. You never know with these foreign guys. The spurs got a pretty center out of that and thats obviously what we are looking for. He's worth a look. Is he that? Who knows at this point.
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Post by cfoo on Sept 28, 2007 22:38:36 GMT -5
Let me rephrase that. The Spurs got a pretty 'decent' center to play next to duncan. But Fabricio is pretty.
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Post by mev17 on Sept 28, 2007 23:09:08 GMT -5
Sound like a project that might get 10-15 minutes on a good day (if he plays). 2008-9 might be different. Could the kids go to the NBDL? Hey C17! IIRC, Batista will be in his second year in the NBA, which would make him eligible for the NBDL. Curently, it looks like we have 17 guys on our roster (including D. Jones and Batista) so we'll probably carry 15, with three on the inactive list. Chances are whichever youngsters we carry (Batista, Wallace, Pruitt, Manuel or even Davis) will see some time in the NBDL. |
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Post by birdie on Sept 29, 2007 5:24:15 GMT -5
i think no, he's not overhyped , because I watch him action, but only the timr will tell us is he
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Post by freshnthehouse on Sept 29, 2007 6:48:41 GMT -5
Man, I really don't want to step either way on this topic. I wish I would have seen him play in the FIBA games, or even when he was with the Hawks so at least I'd have something to base my opinion on--but I didn't. I really know nothing of this guy, other than stats that may, or may not, be an accurate measure of his potential. Are we as Celtics fans, overhyping this young big man? I mean, I'm reading over at Celticsblog how Batista has tremendous upside potential, and how he's going to solidify our backup spot and all that. But is this really the case, or are we jumping the gun here and overhyping this guy? If his upside was that good, wouldn't every team in the league have been trying to land him? I mustve read the same post that you did on CB, DM. I remember thinking to myself, "Boy, tremendous upside potential isnt as tremendous as it used to be." |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Sept 29, 2007 15:39:51 GMT -5
Yep, that must've been it, Fresh, because when I hear tremendous upside potential, I'm thinking a possible star level player.
Well, I checked out some of the videos, and from the very little that I've seen, he does seem to have surprisingly agility and dexterity. He had a nice aggressive dribble penetration on the baseline that looked guard-like (he finished with a strong dunk). With his solid body, if he can use his agility, he should be a solid rebounder, under the tutelage of Cliff Ray.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2007 16:26:35 GMT -5
Hi everyone, i'm new in the site. I've been reading the posts in here for a couple of days, and since i'm from Uruguay maybe i could help you to know Batista's game.
Batista is a true center, that's the reason he didn't do well playing for the Hawks. Woodson insisted to play him as a pf. His best numbers were when he played as 5 against Shaq and Yao, also was then when he played more minutes, because Zaza couldn't do anything about thos big guys.
Batista is a great center that can rebound and score a lot; the problem is that he is not a shot blocker, but nobody around him can shot easily. He needs to work a lot in deffensive, so my guess is that if in a game you need a C to defend Pollard will be in the game, and if you need some offensive game Batista will be in. I'm saying this because you all assume that Perkins is the 5 in this team, but IMO KG will be playing as 5 a lot of minutes.
The other thing about Batista is that he is a black hole, i mean, he has a lot of TO. He compensates that with a lot of steal, but he has to work on ball handling.
Finally, if the Celtics use Batista as a center, Batista will become an important player for the team
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Sept 30, 2007 5:26:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the scoop, Mono74 (and welcome to our Celtics community). I can't wait to get a good look at Batista for myself. He looks like he moves better than Perk, but Perk is learning how to use his body to his advantage (positional rebounding), and that's what Batista needs to learn.
Clifford Ray will need to do his magic here with a lot of our young big men. He's got to work with Perk, Batista, Powe, and Big Baby.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2007 16:31:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the scoop, Mono74 (and welcome to our Celtics community). I can't wait to get a good look at Batista for myself. He looks like he moves better than Perk, but Perk is learning how to use his body to his advantage (positional rebounding), and that's what Batista needs to learn. Clifford Ray will need to do his magic here with a lot of our young big men. He's got to work with Perk, Batista, Powe, and Big Baby. Thank you for the welcome. A couple of things i missed, Batista gets a lot of boards using his body, and he take advantage by beeing left handed, this mostly in offensive. The thing about Batman is that he can't defend, he is more an offensive player than a defensive one. Nevertheless he is only 24 so he can grow and learn a lot. Batman has a lot of great moves at the low post, but he has to work a lot in the high post. The other thing is that in the past few years he had improve his shot and don't be amaze if you see him trying 3p shots. But remember this, he is a legit 5, if you put him as a 4 he will be a mess. |
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Post by Global Celtic on Sept 30, 2007 17:24:30 GMT -5
Mono, did Batista played in the spanish giants Real Madrid? I've read that somewhere but i can't recall where...
And do you have any videos on him? From what i saw, seems like he needs to get some bulk to face certain big centers in the league.
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