News Conference set for 5:30

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Gomes and 2 first rounders is too much. I can understand we dont necessarily need those pieces but Minny is really making out here. With Garnett on teh roster we aren't going to want to be drafting the next year or two anyways because we cant afford to, so I can understand giving up the picks. Throwing in GOmes doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me. We could use him as a player. This bumps Powe, Scal and Big Baby up the depth chart however.

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It's official

msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7078764

5 players and 2 draft picks... That's a lot. Garnett signs a 3 year extension giving him 5 years left on his deal.

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i dig. this allows doc to focus on playing time for glen davis and powe.

these two guys will love grabbing weak side boards and being garbage men. and i absolutely love how they like to bang and bruise up other bigs down low. remember when leon came in to guard eddie curry who had 4 inches and 60-70 pounds on him? leon made him his ...you know. curry was almost crying to the refs and leon didn't miss a beat. anyway, glen davis has good hands and quick feet and loves to pass in and out of the post.

from glen i say look for 6 or 8 pts, 5 rbs, and 2 or 3 assists.
powe: 6,6, and 4 or 5 personal fouls from getting rough. that goes for glen too. 4 or 5 personals.
scal will love to play with smart and savy vets that can use his good passes and hussel to their advantage. the team defense is going to be exponentially better as well.

look for rondo to average 8-10 assists, 6 pts, 4 boards, and 2.31 steals. (and probably low 40 mins).

[cfoo]

Well that's the thing. We don't really need what we gave up, but Minny really makes out here and we gave up too much imo. 5 players all young, one of which is a potential star and will b e a star. 2 have that potential but will probably never reach it. one solid player in gomes. and 2 frist round draft picks. One which will be a high draft pick most likely since it's minny's pick. So more than likely we gave up 2 stars(Jefferson and Minny's pick), 1 solid roleplayer(Gomes), and 3 players with potential(Telfair, Green, and our pick which will be a late first rounder). That is a lot is all I'm saying. That's like Hershel Walker stuff here.

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i agree it is a lot. but telfair will never mature. gerald green, i believe, will never understand the game well enough to really take advantage of his athleticism, gomes will be solid where ever he goes that's a given, theo...ha, and big Al will be a star but throw him in the west and he's a poor man's duncan.

i guess what it comes down to is whether or not you want to go all in. which is what danny ainge is doing. we're going for it now. which i think it's time to do. if you don't do this trade and keep all the guys and picks, i just think that pierce, allen, and Jefferson (maybe green), rondo and gomes would bring us so close to maybe a finals berth but would fall short.

i see your argument and you're right: we gave up a lot. i guess only time we'll tell.

[cfoo]

I can see why we did this and I probably still would but all I'm saying is if this were monopoly which it basically is, we gave up a lot for Park Place. I agree with you that Jefferson is basically a player that is on Vin Bakers level had Vinny stayed off the sauce. He isn't in Garnett's league. Those sonic teams did alright when Vinny was good but teams with players like that as their focal point usually don't get over the top. The teams that do have the best stars. So I understand why we did this. I just think Minny did really well for themselves too. I'm all for getting the best player. Garnett trumps things in that regard. We will probably win out and reap the rewards of putting the best players we can on the court at each position. I like that we kept Rondo and Perk and Allen and Big Baby. Those are the best plaeyrs we had at those spots. Allen and Davis will be the best bench players we had pretty much and we kept them. Rondo was our best pg and Perk was our best Center.

[eja117]

I disagree we gave up a lot.

We gave up Al. Al's good. He won't be anywhere near the top big man in the west for years and years and maybe ever. He's in the varsity league now. No more Eddy Currys.

We gave up Harold Minor...oh I mean Gerald Green

We gave up a pg we probably weren't going to resign.

We gave up a backup who is going to want a raise after this year.

We gave up a low draft pick

And we gave up their pick.

We had an extra pick to give so it's really like only giving one pick and we still have our pick next year.

And in return we basically got Tim Duncan. How much do you think people should give up to get Duncan? There are only a few players in the league you'd even consider starting your team with over KG. Duncan. Maaayyybbee Dirk. Lebron. If you have a 10 year horizon maaayyybbee Howard, Oden and Durant. if you have a one year horizon maaayyybbee Shaq and Nash. That's it. What do you think it would cost to trade for those guys?

We gave up way less than Miami gave up for Shaq and people don't hear Miami crying about that. Wonder why.

[eddietours]

any of you guys know what was barkley age when he join the rockets just curious

[cfoo]

This is what it comes down for me. And why I'd still do this and think Ainge did the right thing.

We are putting the best players we can on the court. We basically have the best SG we could get in Allen. The best SF in Pierce. The best PF in Garnett. We have gold medal upper echelon players here. That's what wins. Jefferson is probably going to be a Vin Baker type player for many years had Vinny stayed off the sauce. Even when Vinny was good, teams that build aroudn players like that usually struggle to get over the top. It's the teams with the best players that win. We also kept Rajon who was the best pg we could get. And Perk was our best Center which I like. We also kept Tony Allen and Big Baby Davis who are our best bench players potentially. I rate Big Baby ahead of Gomes as a player and as that 6th man type that can come in. I rate TA ahead of Green in their respective role. So we kept the best players here in their respective positions and roles.

That's probably the best explanation I can give.

[freshnthehouse]

One thing that shouldnt bother C's fans is giving Minny back their pick. the story is that if we arent able to use the pick by 2012 it turns into a 2nd rounder. remember, minny still has to give the clippers a pick before boston. and the pick the give LA is top ten protected, and without KG, the wolves are going to be a 10 worst team for quite some time. and even if somehow the wolves do finish out of the top 10, we'd still have to wait another year to get the pick, and even then they'd have to finish out of the top 10 for us to get the pick.

[cfoo]

I do think we gave up a lot though.. Their pick will be a lottery pick if im not mistaken? Thats 2 star players. 3 players with potential. and a solid roleplayer in gomes. Is it what we needed? Probably not. We didnt need all those players. This makes sense for both teams. Each team was in a different position. We are trying to get to the top. Minny was stuck with Garnett and is trying to rebuild. You see this all the time. Hershel Walker is probably the best example of that where Dallas had nothing and Hershel was their only asset and they traded him so they could rebuild. The Vikings were looking to get over the top and were the buyer. We did this with Antoine when we were looking to start the rebuilding process. Minny really had nothing outside of Garnett as far as assets and they had to do something because they weren't going to be able to build around Garnett and put the players around him. They had nothing to trade to get to the next level besides him. What were they going to do? Trade Ricky Davis and Blount for some other halfassed player? That doesnt get it done. All I'm saying is we did give up a ton and Minny made out like a bandit which is true.

[freshnthehouse]

cf00 said:

I do think we gave up a lot though.. Their pick will be a lottery pick if im not mistaken?

A lottory pick we virtually had zero chance of getting.

[cfoo]

But does Minny have a chance of getting it? I would assume its now their pick and they can do what they want with it. So maybe I should rephrase that Minny got a lot?

I'm really not that upset at what we gave up. We gave up Telfair, Green, Jefferson, Gomes and 2 picks. From our perspective Telfair was behind Rondo was probably not going to stick on this team. Green could be a player but he was behind Allen imo. Gomes would have been a nice roleplayer but he would have eventually been beaten out by Big Baby and was expendable as well. Jefferson we upgraded. RAtliff was there for trade bait solely. So in that respect we got what we needed and we gave up very little.

[eja117]

So those picks are like nothing. One is now a late 20s pick and the other was probably going to end up beinga 2nd rounder anyway. Big deal.

[DERRENMATTS]

So if I'm looking at it correctly, we are just losing out on one draft pick, because techincally, the other one was Minnesota's. Its not that bad then. Ainge will hopefully restart accumulating talent through the draft in '09.