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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 31, 2007 3:05:36 GMT -5
This is just like giving up Joe Johnson and Chauncy BIllups all over again. Yes, we are getting a player who is vastly better than the scraps we got from Phoenix for JJ (Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk), but we are losing young players who have star potential.
I really do like Garnett being here, but I'm just not looking forward to life without Al Jefferson. He's 22 years old and has a good 10+ years ahead of him. Garnett, as awesome as he is, is already 31 and has a much shorter life span left in the NBA.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 31, 2007 9:00:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but Derren KG's life span could include 2 championships as a direct result of him. Al J will never be able to say that in his entire career. If he wins one it's cause he is 2nd best on his team.
I used to say trade PP cause we would never win a championship if he was our best player and that he really needed to be our 3rd best. Now I pretty much have my wish.
And I think our backups aren't necessarily so much worse than San Antonio's or the Suns or Pistons. Our young guys will be much better at the end of the year than the beginning because they are going to get minutes.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 31, 2007 9:06:36 GMT -5
Derren to answer your question about how we will rebuild after these guys what will happen is that $60mill will expire and we will be able to do something we haven't done in a decade - sign free agents. Plus we'll probably be aweful for a year and maybe actually win the lottery
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Post by birdie on Jul 31, 2007 10:30:10 GMT -5
that's right
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 11:33:08 GMT -5
I had to let this trade proposal sit for a day before i began to decided how i should feel about it.
We all, celtics nation, don't want to see Big Al go. And we all wanted to see Gerald Green become the monster we all new he could be. But please...get Theo's contract away from me, and thanks for taking that little staten island punk out of the mix .
Gerald Green: I can part ways with Gerald because of this one thing....he doesn't have what you would call an exceptional basketball IQ. The thing about it though is that i really don't ever see it developing where ever he plays. He bases his game off of pure athleticism, which is freakishly nasty, but he'll never be a good passer,defender, ... a scal. he'll never be a scal. which is what you need to be before you can ever really amount to anything. give scal gerald green's athleticism and say hello to Lebron.
Big Al: the thing that scares me about letting him go is that he'd put up roughly the same numbers that KG will with Allen and Pierce and Al would do it for the next 10 seasons. We may only get 3 of those with KG if he sticks around. The thing that's making me go along with letting Al go is that it's just the wrong timing for Jefferson with the Celtics. Al, pierce, and allen would bring us to the playoffs for the next few seasons where chicago would only get better and cut our heads off leaving us with an early 20 something pick. pierce and allen will both leave a season apart from each other leaving Al, rondo, a gerald green who never developed, and gomes to bring us to the 1st round for the next 5 years where we'd again play the part of the hydra and stock pile some #18 picks for a while.
All i'm saying is that you can't possibly argue that Jefferson in his prime will be better than KG is now. It would take Jefferson another 3 years to really be at his prime and by then allen and pierce will be on there way out. If Al was in his prime now and was only 25 i'd say don't do the trade with KG and keep Al. but it's not three years from now...it's now.
Gomes: i'm sad to see gomes leave because he would've fit perfectly with KG, allen and pierce. I mean perfectly. I really thought the wolves wouldn't care about him. i guess i was just naively thinking they'd miss him hiding under the radar. gomes will be that rob horry, horace grant, bruce bowen kind of guy his whole career where he's the important #3 or four guy that just does everything right and plays hard every day. i think ryan was almost more important to keep than anyone else in this whole deal.
In the end: I'm going along with the "win now" strategey. if you have the chance to bring KG on with allen and pierce you just have to do it; end of story.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 31, 2007 13:37:04 GMT -5
Welcome to the boards Nodd and good thoughts in your 1st post. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. We'd be struggling to win a championship with Al, and when Pierce and Ray retire we'd still be struggling to win a championship. I also believe Al does not have the ceiling that Garnett does and whether you take Garnett for 5 y ears or Al for 10 is kind of a no brainer considering this teams current state. Once we got RAy Allen and decided to go with Pierce this was pretty much a no brainer. Had we dealt Pierce and built around Al and youth, things might have been different. The thing with that is that guarentees nothing. would you rather trade Pierce and continue to retool and mull over directions with Al or have a team of Pierce, Ray Allen and Garnett now? It's kind of like would you rather be in Minny's position or ours? Because that's the position we would have been in.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 31, 2007 13:44:48 GMT -5
Anyways I do agree with Derren here that Gomes and 2 1st rounders is too much. Telfair, Green, Ratliff, Jefferson I think we are getting the better end of that deal. Hopefully there is an in between where we get a pg back or something and keep Gomes and one of the 1st round picks. I'd say Telfair, Green, Ratliff, Jefferson and a 1st round pick for Garnett is about fair.
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Post by celticfan on Jul 31, 2007 17:39:11 GMT -5
I look at it this way.
would you rather have your team be a solid playoff team or a championship contender.
with Paul, Ray Allen and Big Al theyr'e a strong playoff team that makes it out of the first round once or twice then Paul and Ray are D-U-N and we hope Rondo and Tony Allen can help Al make the playoffs. Summer League pretty much confirmed that GGreen will never be an all-star.
I'm happy with the deal since we have Ray Allen. If it had been done without Ray, we're better but not much better.
This team, can make the ECF IMO as early as next year and once there, anything can happen.
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Post by ferbo on Jul 31, 2007 17:49:14 GMT -5
Summer league contributed greatly to the trade.
GG didn't show too much, and Wallace came out of nowhere to be a replacement 3.
AJ wasn't there, but Davis was, and looked promising as a big man. Perk and KG will obviously play. Davis is the only other big on the roster (I can't count Scal as one) now that AJ and Gomes are gone. So we're still thin at the 4 and 5. Don't know who is still a FA big man that would be worth the mid-level.
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Post by celticfan on Jul 31, 2007 18:16:09 GMT -5
we still have Powe too, but neither can really play C
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Post by mrbeefy316 on Aug 1, 2007 12:05:47 GMT -5
I like the trade but i just wish the celtics could have kept Gomes. He is the perfect role player. Willing to do the little things to help you win ball games. Good defensive player even though he is undersized and a very solid pro. As far as the draft picks well they don't bother me as much because one of those draft picks Ainge got from the Twolves so he just gave them back their pick plus one more. Remember Ainge is very good at trading for picks and if he likes a certain player in the draft he will trade a future pick to make sure he gets his players. I am not worried about the future because by then Ainge will have stock pile players and picks just like he did when he got here. Do you guys remember the roster the celtics had back in 2003. It was basically Toine, Pierce, Ewill, Delk, Battie and Mccarthy. He did an amazing job of moving some of those pieces that practically nobody wanted and got some late first round picks and cheap contracts that he was able to move around to stock pile talent. I am not worried at all for the future because he will do it again.
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