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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2007 12:54:14 GMT -5
Looking at everyone stating how much better of a team we would be by adding marcus camby. A 6'11" fragile center who had a case of back injuries for most of his career. At 32 years old, these injuries are going to take a toll on him. Not to mention, when his contract is done we're stuck with him for another 2-3 years.
Now with Theo Ratliff, we pretty much can the same defensive presence except less rebounding/pts. Do we really need all that rebounds? I can see Theo playing 20/25 minutes per game giving us roughly 5pts 6-7 rebs 2-3 blks per game. Yes, it is a risk that he might get injured again, but, we don't have to give up any young talent keeping him around. At the same time use the MLE to sign a Joe Smith or a highly quality big man for our bench. Not to mention if he doesn't work out, his contract has 80% insurance if he retires and it expires regardless.
So, why go after camby if you have the same injury scare in Theo? Why add two more years on the salary cap when Theo's contract will give us the money to sign Gomes/Jefferson? Let's make sure if we're going to go into the camby direction that Ainge is capable to resign Jefferson when his contract comes up next offseason.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 11, 2007 13:35:51 GMT -5
I did think maybe just letting his contract expire is best. He could help this year and then maybe we could bring hm back for a ton less next year the way we did with Kandi. But Camby is way way way better. Camby gets hurt but he played like 70 games last year. Ratliff played 2. And yes, we need those rebounds. Plus every now and then Camby explodes for like 8 blocks. Ratliff doesn't do that. Wasn't Camby defensive player of the year? That's a pretty big diff
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2007 14:07:11 GMT -5
Camby is definitely an upgrade at Center, but is he worth trading for if we're giving up Green/Gomes. I don't really know what I want to do. If we can resign Jefferson and be able to have Camby on the roster then by all means make the trade. Otherwise, I rather have Theo's contract expired instead.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 11, 2007 15:38:12 GMT -5
I'd still pull the trigger on a Camby, but there is def. some risk connected to it.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 11, 2007 15:41:31 GMT -5
Camby is definitely an upgrade at Center, but is he worth trading for if we're giving up Green/Gomes. I don't really know what I want to do. If we can resign Jefferson and be able to have Camby on the roster then by all means make the trade. Otherwise, I rather have Theo's contract expired instead. I'd agree with that. |
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Post by eja117 on Jul 11, 2007 15:42:33 GMT -5
Fresh, what's the risk other than GG and Gomes becoming very good while Camby gets all hurt? I think we can handle all the contracts.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 12, 2007 1:13:56 GMT -5
Fresh, what's the risk other than GG and Gomes becoming very good while Camby gets all hurt? I think we can handle all the contracts. That is the risk. GG becomes a borderline all-star while Camby misses 50+ games a year. |
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jul 12, 2007 11:35:49 GMT -5
Camby for GG? Are you guys serious?
That is a flat out awful deal for both sides.
Better to wait until February for something to shake out.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 12, 2007 19:53:52 GMT -5
Fresh, what's the risk other than GG and Gomes becoming very good while Camby gets all hurt? I think we can handle all the contracts. That is the risk. GG becomes a borderline all-star while Camby misses 50+ games a year. TA was playing at all-star level for more than a month. Nobody ever says it's a risk to trade him even though GG is playing horrid in summer league |
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 13, 2007 1:26:35 GMT -5
Camby for GG? Are you guys serious? That is a flat out awful deal for both sides. Better to wait until February for something to shake out. We trade a player that is going to contribute very little this year for a player that is probably the best defensive big man in the league. How is this awful for us? |
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Post by CelticsLoyalist on Jul 13, 2007 2:48:57 GMT -5
Guys, first off we know we are not gonna get something for nothing. Theo, for me, is only good for a trade to make it work out. I'm not hedging my bets by thinking we could actually use Theo successfully. And with the guard glut which includes players like Green and Tony, someone will be packing if we have any hopes of landing the quality Center the C's need and we would hope for as well.
A suitable deal will need to be made if we are looking at Camby. Gambling on losing Green is not a good idea. We've seen it happen too many times before and I would lose my cookies if we did it again. To be honest, I dont actually like Camby on this team. We might as well get Smith or Zo in FA before we do something like that.
Let's keep our core players right now, which is outrageously good. Then add a PG through FA. McInnis? Boykins ? Armstrong? Fischer? Knight? Blake?
Then, we wait for Ainge to make a big move to land serious help in the middle. Who? I wish I knew, but I do see a big move in our future. It just makes sense that we would. Just for the simple fact its too important for Ainge not to make something else happen. McHale and Danny were chatting at the Summer League...
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Post by CelticsLoyalist on Jul 13, 2007 19:28:32 GMT -5
Fisher to resign with the Lakers.
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Post by Jambr380 on Jul 13, 2007 22:33:20 GMT -5
First of all, Camby would be HUGE for this team (and so would Odom for that matter). But my main point is the only thing that proves to me that this ownership team is willing to go all out is if they DO trade Theo. No matter what happens, it is pretty much obvious that we want to re-sign AJ. This can be done whether we have money under the cap, or not (due to the Larry Bird rule). If we trade for Camby, then we have him and AJ. If we hold on to Theo and let him expire, then we only have AJ because we can't sign outside FAs for more than the midlevel exception, since we will be over the cap anyway...is it really worth it for someone as Fragile as Camby? I say, yes. But as far as defensive players go, Ratliff was right there with him a couple years ago (and Ben Wallace for that matter)...
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