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Post by eja117 on Jun 3, 2007 10:05:16 GMT -5
I think Donovan saw only too well how things work out when you leave college ball to coach the Celts from watching his mentor Pitino? When he talked to him do you think Pitino said good things about us? A team with D Howard in Florida was waaaayyy more appealing to him than us.
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Post by celticfan on Jun 3, 2007 10:24:01 GMT -5
the NBA is different from the NCAA.
a coach can only infulence the outcome so much. You have to have talent in the NBA to win consistently.
If the Magic add someone solid to their team this summer with their cap space, then Donovan will do alright. If they just add some complimentary parts, he'll struggle because Howard cannot be the #1 guy without a solid 2nd player with him IMO.
Look at the Raptors. Mitchell goes from being voted the worst coach in the league to COY because of the 9 new players he got thanks to GM coleangello.
Do you think did Mitchell become the best coach in the league last year all of the sudden or did the talent make the difference?
For sure coaches take a talented team and get them over the hump to achieve more than most thought they could.
They can also screw up a good team with bad decision making.
but you gotta have talent to win in this league.
without some big changes in Boston, Donovan wouldn't have made that much difference.
forget this year, we got hit bad by the injury bug.
we're a near or just squeak in playoff team. Would Donovan done much better than Doc?
mmm probably not IMO but we'll see how he does with the Magic if they don't change much over the summer.
If they land Rashard Lewis or Vince..well all bets are off, they'd better be a much better team regardless of the coach.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 3, 2007 17:34:54 GMT -5
I think Donovan saw only too well how things work out when you leave college ball to coach the Celts from watching his mentor Pitino? When he talked to him do you think Pitino said good things about us? A team with D Howard in Florida was waaaayyy more appealing to him than us. I am sure Pitino told Donovan that the Boston media/fans would run him out of town if the team wasn't doing well. |
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Jun 3, 2007 23:02:13 GMT -5
Fox Sports is reporting that Donovan is trying to get out of the Magic deal. He was pressured into a quick decision and now regrets it. Interesting turn of events. Article is here msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6883162?MSNHPHMA |
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Post by CelticsLoyalist on Jun 4, 2007 13:24:10 GMT -5
Barring being completely official, Orlando has announced it is letting Donovan out of his contract.
So, you see meangreen, the deuce deuce has just beaten the Ace/King.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 4, 2007 21:31:29 GMT -5
Barring being completely official, Orlando has announced it is letting Donovan out of his contract. So, you see meangreen, the deuce deuce has just beaten the Ace/King. I like that quote.  |
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Post by meangreen on Jun 10, 2007 7:26:15 GMT -5
Hey guys sorry Ive been away 4a little, but Im glad 2b back again . Greeniac in response 2ur sam mitchel reference Ive been using that type of example as2 why we should get rid of Doc. Mitchel's talent has overcome his deficiencies as a coach. Its happed b4 in the hoop game and sports in general. U think Doc has changed as a coach since he coached Orl? He had some real talent on that team that stayed healthy and they were able 2eek in2 the playoffs. When Del Harris was coach of the lakers he couldn't win w/shaq and kobe, but then in comes Jackson and the rest is history. Boeheim was looong thought of as a coach that couldn't win w/talent 'till Carmelo came along and changed his legacy 4ever. Doc has 2have extraordinary talent on this team 4us 2win, not just eek in the playoffs as a sacrificial 8th seed, but 1of the teams that can come out of the east like we've all been waitin seeminly a lifetime4. Im not sayin this team would be comin out of the east w/Donavan, but they'd play a style that's compatible 2the way they're built on O and D, plus they'd have some momentum goin in2 the upcomin season. Loyalist says Im jumpin the gun a little here, but Im not excited 'bout our upcomin season unless this team makes major changes 2make me think that they can be 1of the teams that can come out of the east. So if this team can go from a young team that's has some experience, but hasn't shown it yet, 2a team that's got some proven vets w/a mix of young promisin talent between now and next the start of the season. Donavan would have been a step in that direction I think in terms of coachin style along w/a infusion of excitement that u won't get this upcomin season UNLESS you get some talent in here 2make u think that mayb doc can do somethin w/these guys. Loyalist and RR the deuces still haven't won per se, cause we're still stuck w/doc deuce, so Id say right now we're still tryin 2bluff our way through the next season. But the good news is that Donavan is goin back 2Fla and we've still got a chance @him. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 10, 2007 8:11:11 GMT -5
My thinking is that the Celtics are going to give Doc one more season. And so should the fans. Doc was coach of the year in the NBA w/ Orlando. He is still learning w/ a young, fragile team.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 10, 2007 22:15:30 GMT -5
Well, maybe not Donovan, but we are still hoping that David Blatt will sign on with the team to perform in some capacity, with the eventual move to head coach. Doc has one year to prove that he can coach this team beyond the 1st round (I'm not settling for just making the playoffs).
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jun 11, 2007 19:51:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the Celtics problems are not that easy to solve. They have come up short every where - coaching, scouting, GM decision making, and personnal. The record does not lie here. Donovan is an outstanding college coach and it is obvious that Pitino (sorry LoY and FL had to say the P word to make my point) his mentor talked him out of the Orlando job.
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Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Jun 11, 2007 19:56:06 GMT -5
My thinking is that the Celtics are going to give Doc one more season. And so should the fans. Doc was coach of the year in the NBA w/ Orlando. He is still learning w/ a young, fragile team. Then again maybe all that is needed is maturity, good health, and a perhaps a well timed trade. |
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Post by Roadrunner on Jun 11, 2007 20:36:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the Celtics problems are not that easy to solve. They have come up short every where - coaching, scouting, GM decision making, and personnal. The record does not lie here. Donovan is an outstanding college coach and it is obvious that Pitino (sorry LoY and FL had to say the P word to make my point) his mentor talked him out of the Orlando job. Did he say the "p" word? But, I thought Bird, McHale, and Parrish were walking in from that door?  |
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Post by meangreen on Jun 12, 2007 11:39:09 GMT -5
RR yes Doc is goin 2get another chance but Y  !, that's the question. Doc's not a young coach and he's experience in coachin w/moderate @best success  . He should already have a system of coachin in place and the players he has now should be yeildin better results than they have. His style is not a fit 4 THIS team. I don't get y you want 2give this guy another chance when we've already seen what this guy is AND no1 expects the talent 2compensate this yr 4his coachin deficienices AND his styly of play which is all wrong 4this team. |
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jun 12, 2007 16:26:02 GMT -5
I don't actually want to give him another chance. But he's here for at least another year, so Doc needs to make sure he makes it work. This has got to be his last chance.
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Post by celticfan on Jun 12, 2007 19:24:12 GMT -5
I can only assume that Ainge was looking at the successful teams in the league and the continuity they have with the same coach.
I can only assume he's blind to how bad a coach Doc is and thinks the continuity will solve the issue.
as for Ricky P, I think he would have been an alright coach if he hadn't been the GM.
He was atrocious as a GM.
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!, that's the question. Doc's not a young coach and he's experience in coachin w/moderate @best success 
. He should already have a system of coachin in place and the players he has now should be yeildin better results than they have. His style is not a fit 4THIS team. I don't get y you want 2give this guy another chance when we've already seen what this guy is AND no1 expects the talent 2compensate this yr 4his coachin deficienices AND his styly of play which is all wrong 4this team.