Ainge saved Grousebeck 50 million dollars

[The Eye of the Q is upon you!]

on the Telfair draft day deal fiasco!!!!

It is a stroke of genious by Danny

1. Reaf LaFrentz for Theo Ratliffe - 35 million vs 22 million remaining liability - both get the same production (little or none). Raef won some games for Boston last year, take those wins away and we have a 19% chance at Greg Oden

2. Dan Dickau and Brandon Roy - for Sebastion Telfair
23 million vs 5 million remaining liability - a two for none and an honest to goodness thinning out process for Danny as he and Doc move toward their true core of Guards believed to be Rondo, West, and Tony Allen.

3. So far I have identified 31 million dollars in Savings - so where does the other 19 million come from - Insurance on Theo Ratliffe's contract and the future savings off the luxery tax.

So I get it - Grousebeck saved 50 million - Danny gets to keep his job - and the excuse of not supporting Doc with talent is a perfect excuse to retain Doc Rivers (and not having to eat his 5 million salary by replacing him at this time).

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Don't count on Grousebeck being a willing luxery tax payer. Also, if we strike out at the lottery, look for another draft day trade where we pick up future No 1s to go along with veteran help. There will be changes and not necessarily for the betterment of the team if things continue to go horribly wrong. Bottom feeding teams need some luck to fall their way to break out of their cycle of losing. Since Bird, Parish, and McHale retired, things have gone south for the Celtics. In fact for our fab 5:

Bird - has fired his friend Rick Carlisle and his team is floundering

McHale - his team is stuck with Garnett and overpaid 2nd stringers - the Knicks syndrome

Parrish - a quiet consultant for the Celtics

DJ - RIP in peace buddy..... Basketball truly stiffed you

Ainge - Inheriting an impossible situation but might have the best chance to make it as an executive at this point. Once again - LUCK has to return.

[eja117]

I do hearby nominate this for Loy's Place. karma, I mean Tommy Point. I knew that was a good trade but had a moderately difficult time articulating it.
That is an excellent point that if we draft 3rd maybe we trade Wally and the 3rd pick to some random team for a young prospect and future picks or whatnot. Like it would be great for memphis to come away with Oden and Noah (that would sell a ton of tix) if it only cost them Kyle Lowry and future picks and taking on Wally's contract or something. That's just one minor off the cuff example

[FLCeltsFan]

I agree that this belongs on Loy's Place. Will post it tomorrow morning. Koolaid for Q and Eja!!!

[freshnthehouse]

Unless we get a Gasol level player, trading our 3-5 pick would be a horrible mistake. You dont trade top 5 pick in a draft this talented for a couple of future picks. With Oden and Noah, Memphis is an automatic play-off team. Why trade a top 5 pick for a couple of 18-22 picks? Doesnt make any sense.

And I am not going to lab the Celtics as ownership as unwilling to pay the luxery tax until they are actually in a position where adding salary makes sense and they turn it down.

[cfoo]

Ainge has been trying to save money and acquire chips all along. Hence why he didn't just let walker walk. He could have saved a big chunk of change right there, but he decided to use that to acquire players in the process. Telfair and Doc more than likely don't fit into the longterm plans here so dont worry about it. It could be argued still why we traded for RAef in the first place. I'm still not sure what we got from Walker if someone can break that down that would be great. I know we got Tony Allen and I think we got Perk too if I'm not mistaken. Ultimately there's a reason why we are just trying to get these young guys acclimated right now vs actually trying to win games. We are still in the process of trying to get as much talent as possible and then being able to pay the guys we want to keep. there's no reason to spend money right now. If you've noticed most of the money has been spent on just keeping the fans interested right now for the most part, hence the cheerleaders.

In other words this is not a team concerned about winning right now. That will change though. I still think it's amazing how hard this team played considering how many games we lost.

[freshnthehouse]

cf00 said:

Ainge has been trying to save money and acquire chips all along. Hence why he didn't just let walker walk. He could have saved a big chunk of change right there, but he decided to use that to acquire players in the process. Telfair and Doc more than likely don't fit into the longterm plans here so dont worry about it. It could be argued still why we traded for RAef in the first place. I'm still not sure what we got from Walker if someone can break that down that would be great. I know we got Tony Allen and I think we got Perk too if I'm not mistaken. Ultimately there's a reason why we are just trying to get these young guys acclimated right now vs actually trying to win games. We are still in the process of trying to get as much talent as possible and then being able to pay the guys we want to keep. there's no reason to spend money right now. If you've noticed most of the money has been spent on just keeping the fans interested right now for the most part, hence the cheerleaders.

We got Raef, a Dal #1, Chris Mills' contract, and Jiri for AWalker. We packaged Mills' contract in the Rasheed trade to get a #1 from Detroit. We used that pick and the Dal pick to draft DWest and TA. We traded Jiri for a Cleveland #1, which we traded to the Suns for Rondo.

[cfoo]

Good things come to those who wait. If you build it, they will come. And so on and so forth. Or at least I hope that is what is going on here. I'm pretty sure it is. I wish I had a business degree so I understood this more clearly, but the C's are in a pretty good business state right now. I honestly believe Ainge is a very good basketball man and Grousbeck is a very good business man.

[FLCeltsFan]

The Walker Trade breaks down like this:

Walker and Delk were traded to the Mavs for

Raef, Welsch, Mills and a Pick that became West

Raef was traded for Ratliff (basically)

Welsh was traded for a pick that was then traded to Phoenix for Rondo.

Mills was traded for Chucky Atkins and a pick that became Tony Allen and Atkins was traded for Payton for whom we got nothing.

So essentially, we traded Walker and Delk for
Ratliff, Rondo, West, and Tony Allen. - Not too bad.

[Roadrunner]

Two fold:

*The Walker "deal" never dies.

*Danny is the ultimate in parlaying players, draft picks, etc.