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Post by Celtic17 on Dec 13, 2006 0:51:25 GMT -5
Sounds like the Celts are backing out of the AI hunt. The 76ers and AI must want more than his weak azz is worth...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2006 14:10:05 GMT -5
Well, when they're asking for our only real low-post presence plus our future SG/SF thats when the lines have been cross. No offense to AI, I would love to have him but, I'm not a big fan of giving up our future just to have 3 average season.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 13, 2006 14:30:40 GMT -5
I don't mind giving up our future if our future obviously doesn't have a championship in it, and right now there is no reason to think so. I'm fine with trading future non-all stars for present all-stars and future HOFers. If they gave Powe all of Al's minutes and said "go rebound all of Ai's misses" I doubt we would ever miss AL J.
And once again tonite he must have another game in the teens on decent shooting, with decent rebounds, less than 6 fouls or we can stop talking about him being some future star for a while.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 13, 2006 17:27:05 GMT -5
I don't mind giving up our future if our future obviously doesn't have a championship in it, and right now there is no reason to think so
Hey, that sounds like the Chauncy/Joe Johnson thing all over again. That's a great idea!!! Where do I sign?!!!
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Post by eja117 on Dec 13, 2006 17:34:17 GMT -5
Chauncy took like 9 years to get good and now everybody acts like it happened as soon as he was traded. We weren't the only team that got tired of waiting for him to get good and traded him while still waiting. JJ was traded after barely a few months. The guys on our team now have had years. It also took Joe Johnson till his 4th year to get good. And neither Billups nor Johnson were traded for future HOFers. Especially not Johnson. Billups is overrated and JJ isn't an all-star. JJ in particular was easily replacable. We are also deluding ourselves if we think having JJ and Billups would make us anything even resembling a deep playoff team since neither are in the top ten of their position or even a bronze medal player let alone a gold.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 13, 2006 17:59:21 GMT -5
In Chauncy's rookie year with us, before he was traded to Toronto, he was averaging 11.1 ppg, 4.3 apg and 1.5 spg. Pretty good numbers for a rookie getting 25 mpg. Its not hard to see that the kid had the potential to be a good player.
Joe Johnson was a pretty timid player, who occasionally had nice all around games, and he was a bit harder to project because though the talent was there, sometimes it was hard to see if the aggressiveness and determination would be there for all 82 games. But no doubt that the talent was there.
Now we look at Jefferson and Green, and I can honestly say that I get the impression that these guys will breakout like Billups and JJ did once they settled down. Jefferson's 29 pt 14 reb game was not a fluke. He's very capable of having these types of games regularly.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 13, 2006 18:06:26 GMT -5
In Jefferson's 29 pt 14 reb game was not a fluke. He's very capable of having these types of games regularly. then why doesn't he?
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Post by eja117 on Dec 13, 2006 18:10:38 GMT -5
Chancey was shoot 39% at the time and as a 6ft 3 guard was only getting 2.2 rebs. He was also averaging over 2 TOs and fouls per game, which for a pg in 25mpg isn't the greatest. Not too bad. Not too good. He has only averaged better the 44% fg% twice in his career and is 41% for his career. Overrated. Byproduct of a championship team.
If you think Chancey's stats as a rookie were good you must have thought last year that Delonte was the second coming of Magic.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 13, 2006 18:28:22 GMT -5
You can't do it without the ball, Eja.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 13, 2006 18:32:01 GMT -5
Chancey was shoot 39% at the time and as a 6ft 3 guard was only getting 2.2 rebs. He was also averaging over 2 TOs and fouls per game, which for a pg in 25mpg isn't the greatest. Not too bad. Not too good. He has only averaged better the 44% fg% twice in his career and is 41% for his career. Overrated. Byproduct of a championship team. If you think Chancey's stats as a rookie were good you must have thought last year that Delonte was the second coming of Magic. No, if you can't tell the difference between a young Billups and Delonte West, then this conversation can't go on any further. While Billups as a rookie put up numbers similar to what Delonte did last year, you can see that the talent level is on different planes.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 13, 2006 19:19:28 GMT -5
No, if you can't tell the difference between a young Billups and Delonte West, then this conversation can't go on any further. While Billups as a rookie put up numbers similar to what Delonte did last year, you can see that the talent level is on different planes. One made shot is as good as the next I thought. It's stuff like that that allows people to keep shortchanging Gomes
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Post by eja117 on Dec 13, 2006 19:21:07 GMT -5
You can't do it without the ball, Eja. Oh I forgot. In 2 plus years nobody has passed him the ball. The team thinks he has cuties. Gomes gets the ball. Delonte gets the ball. But poor Al. Nobody gives him the ball despite a wealth of talent.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Dec 13, 2006 19:49:08 GMT -5
Just sit back and watch, Eja. In time, you'll come around to see what a lot of us are talking about. Potential scares you and you wish all players would come out and produce 25 ppg right off the bat. Well, have a seat, get comfortable and watch our young kids develop. Then we'll talk.
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Post by eja117 on Dec 13, 2006 20:17:16 GMT -5
They aren't going to outdevelop the Lebrons and Odens and D Howards of the world. For example. JON didn't outdevelop Duncan or KG. KG didn't outdevelop Duncan. Nobody outdeveloped Kidd (except maybe Nash.) And nobody outdeveloped Shaq
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