cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Nov 9, 2006 14:45:00 GMT -5
I was watching the SA and Phoenix game in between commercials and halftime l last night and I have to say it was like night and day between both games. The Garden seemed like a morgue, just very little energy, guys walking the ball up. Yes the C's had spurts of energy but I'm getting tired of hearing how the C's are going to run every year and then it's like watching a team stuck in quick sand. I'm starting to feel bad for Pierce. Here is a guy that puts forth 100% effort every game and the rest of the team just stands around and watches. We got some contributions from Wally and Gomes last night but we still barely beat the Bobcats. I'm still not sold on the direction of this team, Doc in particular needs to get more out of these guys. The season just started and I'm seeing some pretty discouraging things. Pierce deserves better.
|
|
|
Post by eja117 on Nov 9, 2006 15:12:02 GMT -5
Oh how can you say PP deserves better? He's got Al Jefferson. In only a few years after he shakes off the appendicitis in 6 weeks he's going to average 20 and 11.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Nov 9, 2006 15:14:19 GMT -5
This is not meant to be a negative post btw. Just trying to fire things up. Pierce stated the Celtics were going to dedicate this season to Red, and so far he is doing his part. I'm a patient person, but watching the same stuff year after year is getting old fast.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Nov 9, 2006 15:19:16 GMT -5
lol Eja. this is the problem, I'm starting to wonder if this team really is even talented. Danny Ainge originally stated it would be a couple years and to be patient. I remember him saying we are right on the doorstep on several different occasions, we are one trade away from really making a run, blah, blah, blah. At this rate it's going to be a decade before this team is any good if they don't start playing with at least some guts. It's like watching the Pierce show all over again. Perk is absolutely useless out there. He's a linebacker playing basketball. Telfair is so inconsistant. Allen is crap and is a ballhog who thinks he's a pg, he's only good when he's moving without the ball. West is struggling with his shot. Gomes had one good game. He's turned into a jump shooter and they stopped utilizing him inside. If they keep it up he's going to turn into Antoine Walker. His shooting percentage has already dipped to 40%. Wally is pretty good. Where is the talent on this team? And where is the heart? Where is the direction? Why is Scalabrine playing again? This team has so many question marks right now.
|
|
|
Post by eja117 on Nov 9, 2006 16:16:44 GMT -5
There is great backup talent all over this team. But I read stuff this summer by scouts that pointed at guys I liked like Perk and said "he's maybe a backup on a good team" and thought they were crazy. But the fact that he fouls out of every game after 5 minutes, and hasn't done anything in the preseason or now makes me think maybe he's not good. I don't like reaching that conclusion, but there aren't other conclusions to come to. What am I suppossed to think? the guy is aweful now so obviously he'll be good in 2009? He's actually very good, but just hiding it? We have to approach the situation as though all these guys are backups and nothing more. We have to realize we're a bad team. The attempt to become a good team didn't work and now we are entering a new draft cycle. If we can have a bit of a fire sale on pettered out talent like TA and AL then fine. And time to move on and start playing Powe.
|
|
|
Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Nov 9, 2006 18:10:32 GMT -5
I am beginning to come to the conclusion that getting rid of Antione Walker was an absolute mistake. I thought it was an outside the box thinking move at the time with a small risk of backfiring. I am beginning to think that is has backfired big time. And so we have apparently downgraded everywhere with respect to the rest of the league and fallen behind.
So I think we are just not that good and will be stuck in a long cycle of 30-40 win seasons and a regular at the lottery until we hit home run with our pick or make a very lucky trade. I have downgraded the Celtics predictions of a 43 win season this year. Pessimistic Peter simply knows his basketball and I am just a stupid lackey that drank too much Vin and Tonic.
|
|
|
Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 9, 2006 19:00:46 GMT -5
I am beginning to come to the conclusion that getting rid of Antione Walker was an absolute mistake. I thought it was an outside the box thinking move at the time with a small risk of backfiring. I am beginning to think that is has backfired big time. And so we have apparently downgraded everywhere with respect to the rest of the league and fallen behind. So I think we are just not that good and will be stuck in a long cycle of 30-40 win seasons and a regular at the lottery until we hit home run with our pick or make a very lucky trade. I have downgraded the Celtics predictions of a 43 win season this year. Pessimistic Peter simply knows his basketball and I am just a stupid lackey that drank too much Vin and Tonic. All keeping Walker would've done was gobble up minutes that I'd much rather see go to perk, al, and gomes. All Walker would do is make us a first round and out team. I'd rather lose 60 games than see that.
|
|
|
Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Nov 9, 2006 22:15:52 GMT -5
I am beginning to come to the conclusion that getting rid of Antione Walker was an absolute mistake. I thought it was an outside the box thinking move at the time with a small risk of backfiring. I am beginning to think that is has backfired big time. And so we have apparently downgraded everywhere with respect to the rest of the league and fallen behind. So I think we are just not that good and will be stuck in a long cycle of 30-40 win seasons and a regular at the lottery until we hit home run with our pick or make a very lucky trade. I have downgraded the Celtics predictions of a 43 win season this year. Pessimistic Peter simply knows his basketball and I am just a stupid lackey that drank too much Vin and Tonic. All keeping Walker would've done was gobble up minutes that I'd much rather see go to perk, al, and gomes. All Walker would do is make us a first round and out team. I'd rather lose 60 games than see that. Perkins commits more fouls per minute than anybody in the history of the NBA. Jefferson misses more time to injury and illness than Bill Walton. Gomes is OK, just like Eric Williams was. I'm sorry Antoine is a competitor and was the leader of the Boston Celtics. So he had a grasp on the franchise and Dumbfutz Danny comes in and trades his arse to Dallas for Wounded Knee Raef LaFrentz and NumbNutz Jiri Welsch and 2 draft picks that became Allen and West, neither of which are assured being career Celtics. Dumbfutz Danny trades Raef LaFrentz, Dan Dickau, and Brandon Roy for a has been Center that will probably retire and a third string PG who cannot defend my dog in Bassy Telfair. Sorry, this is not looking good for our boys in green. So you would rather lose 60 games than win with Walker. Be careful what you wish for, otherwise you will get 60 losses and still end up with about a 15% chance of getting Greg Oden.
|
|
|
Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 10, 2006 0:59:30 GMT -5
So you would rather lose 60 games than win with Walker. What did we win with Walker? Looking back it now, I'd still pull the trigger on the Walker trade, no questions asked. He might be a nice game, but I never liked his game. And yes, I'd rather lose 60 games to get a chance to pick a franchise big man than suffer through any more 35-45 win seasons w/ Antoine dominating the ball.
|
|
|
Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 10, 2006 1:55:09 GMT -5
Walker's value around the league was very low. Ainge waited and waited till he got the best offer, and what we got was probably the best we could get for Walker.
Walker needed to go. Ainge did not like Walker's game at all (and he's still chucking away beyond the arc). His game was desolving before our eyes, his FG% was dropping, his rebounding was dropping, and he still dominated the ball. Ainge did not want to build his team around a guy like him as co-captain with Pierce.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Nov 10, 2006 9:50:21 GMT -5
I didn't mean to turn this into a Walker debate, but since we are on the subject I don't think losing Walker was necessarily a good thing or a bad thing. BTW, what did we end up getting for Walker now that it's all said and done?
|
|
|
Post by freshnthehouse on Nov 10, 2006 11:45:07 GMT -5
Basically, we have West, Allen, and Rondo to show for it.
|
|
|
Post by The Eye of the Q is upon you! on Nov 10, 2006 12:59:19 GMT -5
I guess Delonte West, Allen, and Rondo for Walker would be pretty good provided we change the coach. Throw in 1 season out of Ratliffe and it looks quite decent.
Right now - West is the only player out of that group. Tony Allen is an out of control shipwreck. Rondo shows promise but if Doc insists on showcasing Bassy, we are not giving ourselves much of a chance to win.
I submit you this question - Would Pierce stand for a season of 60 losses just so we can increase our odds of getting Oden up to 15-20% next year?
|
|
|
Post by DERRENMATTS on Nov 10, 2006 13:55:12 GMT -5
No, I doubt it, Q. It conjurs up questions in my mind as to why Pierce signed his contract extension without knowing for sure we were going to make drastic improvements to the team. At first, I thought that we were going to get AI or some other big named star, and that's why I thought Pierce re-signed for an additional 5 years. I mean, he's in the prime of his career, and he realistically has maybe 5 - 6 more years of scorng in the mid 20's. He's got to be thinking championship during this window. But from the looks of this team, with all our youth needing playing and developmental time, it'll probably take us a good 2 - 3 years before we are ready to reach the upper echelon of the eastern conference, and then a couple of years after that to be serious title contenders.
Knowing this, would Pierce want to stick around and see what happens? I'm not so sure he's willing to do that. No only would a slow start to this season jepordize Doc's job, but it could also force Pierce to demand a trade.
|
|